Architects Benevolent Society: Together We Stand, Special Live Broadcast

Architects Benevolent Society Special Livestream!
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Stephen Drew: [00:00:00] I am Steven Drew, head of architecture at McDonald and Company. I am also, I brought, I. Founded? Is founded the right word? Founder of the Architecture Social and we are gate crashing. We are gate crashing LinkedIn. But more importantly than all my titles, I am an ambassador of a fantastic charity called the Architects Benevolence Society.

And I'm joined here by Mark. Oop! In this corner. Mark. Hey, Mark. Hiya. And Tom. From the ABS, gentlemen, how are you? You alright? Good. Yeah, well, thanks. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Here we go. It's one of these things, now we're on LinkedIn, we don't know what to say, do we? Here we go! Hey! Fantastic. So this is a special. This is a special.

Everyone's on their lunch. Look, we just found out we can return for Christmas. That's great. [00:01:00] It's an exciting time, but for anyone that is not familiar with the fantastic charity Architects Benevolent Society, gentlemen, can we have a little bit of an introduction about who, who you guys are, what's your involvement and what the ABS is about?

Yeah, sure. So, so Tom, do you

Mark (ABS): want to go or do you want me, you can kick off? Well, I'm the external relations manager at abs. I've been at abs now for about six, seven years, something like that. And abs was set up. 170 years ago tomorrow. Wow. And we were set three, no spring check mark. No, no.

Well, I look good for my age, don't I, . So so yeah, no, we're set up almost 170 years ago tomorrow. So we're in a hundred 70th year. We were a charity that's set up as a relief for poverty charity. But. These days, we kind of look at sort of prevention of poverty as well. So we're here to assist members of the architectural profession and they include architects, architectural technologists, technicians, landscape architects, and their [00:02:00] families and students as well.

So we're able to support with many different things such as sort of money and debt housing advice, employment advice and mental, mental health and well being and physical health and disability. So and of course we have a network of ambassadors across the UK, which I'll let Tom explain.

Tom (ABS): Yeah. So we have a, yeah, a network of ambassadors based across different regions within the UK. Stephen is one of our proud ambassadors. Oh yeah, that's me. Hey, hey. Breathing it out. But they are really important for our work as they are connection to the community. So we, we really rely on them to fundraise for us and also to raise awareness.

It's been a program we're going for about close to three or four years now and it's really grown And to the point where it is now, we have over 70 people and I think in a large way recent success in terms of people knowing more about us especially early on in their career when they're finishing university or later on when they might [00:03:00] actually need support from us is really down to the work for ambassadors.

So thank you, Stephen, and thank you to all our ambassadors, hopefully, hopefully watching away as well. Yeah, I, I

Stephen Drew: love it. And then that's why I thought this would be really good to do a little special because I imagine for you gentlemen, this year has not been quiet, right? It's been a bit of a full one's.

Tom (ABS): Been a busy one. Yeah, it has been. 2020, yeah. Mm.

Stephen Drew: Thank goodness for the charity. 'cause this year, everywhere's, like this year, it, it's terrible. Mark, you haven't seen, you haven't seen my home yet, have you? There you go. , you, you've got, oh, well you've got no idea. You've got no idea what's installed, . She says it's great to know about the a BS.

Hi Rucci. Glad you're watching. So there you go. We are on LinkedIn, guys, because we're getting the comments coming in soon. That's fantastic. This is such

Mark (ABS): a good way of reaching out and engaging with people. But yeah, no, you're right. This year hasn't been easy. We've had, [00:04:00] well, we've seen a 60 percent increase in people coming to us for support.

But by email, telephone, people have been writing in, sending in new applications. So we've been helping a lot of people financially and with mental health support as well through our partnership with, with anxiety UK. So yeah, it's been, it's been quite difficult and obviously we had to cancel a lot of our events for the year.

lot of plans that we have made, which were, of course, going to bring in quite, quite a bit of money for us, which we rely on to help people. So we actually launched as you know, Stephen, a a COVID 19 emergency appeal, which raised 50, 000 pounds. We're still accepting donations for that. If anybody would like to make a donation they can do so through our new website.

But yeah, it's been, it's been a really difficult year. We've had to sort of think. quite creatively and sort of and quite quickly about how we can get out there and offer support to people. Redundancy advice has been a big thing that we've been assisting with. And we've put together like an all redundancy advice or package, which you can see on our [00:05:00] resources page on our website.

That's, it seems to be. The thing that people are coming to asking a lot about how we can sort of help with that. So it's been, it's been a, it's been an interesting year for, for, for everyone really. But I, I'm, I've been sort of quite sort of privileged to be amongst, you know, everybody that works at ABS being able to offer.

You know, be here is sort of like a lifeline to people when

Tom (ABS): they've come to us for support. And that's exactly us, really. I think that's when we step in because you know, no one really plans for the unexpected. And I think a lot of unexpected has happened this year for a lot of people in a lot of different ways.

And especially those working within architecture as it is definitely an industry, which Is affected in a huge way by the implications of, of a lockdown and what that means for work and for mental health and for the people around you. So yeah, I think it's been part of my role on the support relations officer.

So I have a lot of connection with our ambassadors. I managed the volunteer program and I get to really check in with people. And I [00:06:00] think it seems that it's just, it's such a. a varied response in terms of different people you talk to like some people who maybe they work in kind of the health sector and they're not so affected by some of the implications of loss of work.

But then you talk to other small practices who are incredibly affected and you know, haven't got that income or don't know where jobs are suddenly being postponed. So I guess anyone watching this who kind of maybe in one of those two categories Hey, they might be able to support us. They might be in a good position on sounds what we do and want to get behind that, or B, they might need support.

And that might be it could be in just advice. They could want to ring up and talk to someone who, who specifically knows about a poverty relief within this industry. And I think that's kind of what we, what we're trying to do. And hopefully we can reach out to you guys through this as well.

Stephen Drew: Well, I think that's amazing.

Maybe it's about time. On that note, we can show off the swanky new website. Hi, guys. This is a big

Tom (ABS): thing for us this year. We're really, really proud of it.

Stephen Drew: Yeah, it looks, it looks great. It looks brilliant.

Mark (ABS): We we, [00:07:00] we started working on around this time last year, actually, I've been working with amazing design agency who work with charities in particular.

We, we noticed that one of the issues we have with our previous website is that As a user, somebody coming to us for support, it wasn't crystal clear about what kind of support was available to them and if they were eligible for support, of course, as well. So we designed this, this new website, which has an eligibility checker, which I'll show you in a second.

So it's really quick and easy way to sort of, you know, if I was say an architectural assistant would I be eligible for support? Am I a student, you know, or, or, you know, it's a really sort of quick and easy sort of way to find out if you're eligible for support and what kind of support you can get, what kind of category you kind of fit into.

So let's get it going. Let's go show you. So this is a fancy new homepage and we have these lovely illustrations here. Of course as [00:08:00] well. And As you scroll down, we'll be able to sort of tell you about how we can help. So with money and debt housing advice, we have a partnership with shelter.

Everyone is familiar with the charity shelter, so we're able to give excellent housing advice through them. They're a charity that I've personally used as well. Before like many years ago who gave me some exceptional sort of. legal advice when I was going through quite a difficult time, fantastic organization.

And we're really proud to be partnered with them again, health and disability. We can give support with that. I'll just give you an example of somebody that we, we gave support to with regards to that a chap called Ian who. as an architect, and he had a bike accident and ended up being paralyzed.

I think from the chest down and we've provided him with a specialist wheelchair, made some adaptations to his home as well. And mental health and wellbeing. So back in 2017, we started a partnership with anxiety UK to offer. Counseling [00:09:00] CBT acupuncture, hypnotherapy, the list goes on.

There again, another fantastic charity. They've been around since 1950. They have a network of approved therapists throughout the UK. So there's lots of really good resources around mental health and well being as well on this website, which you can access employment. We have a really good partnership with a charity called Renovo.

And this month in particular and, and next month, December, we're going to be talking a lot about on our, on our website, through our social media channels through our campaign, which I'll explain a bit more about later. And we're going to be sort of showcasing the support that is available through Renovo.

We kind of think employment is quite a hot topic at the moment, what with a lot of sort of redundancies. That are happening within the industries that we support. And obviously we have this really nice resources page, which we're going to be constantly updating as the months go on there's some really good stuff there.

So that's. That's our homepage and of course we've got some stories here of people that we've helped [00:10:00] as well. The Lowe family we helped them with their son who has a disability Priya here's a mental health story and the same with Mark And then we've got like a blog section.

So people who usually write articles for us and a news section what we're kind of up to in terms of events that we've got coming up. So that's mainly our homepage. But it looks a lot nicer, doesn't it, Stephen? I mean, you saw our

Stephen Drew: old one. I like it. Although the other one was brilliant because it's like a flashback to the two 1990s, wasn't there?

But this, now we've got, now we've got this. Really, really swanky website, but what I love about it is that now it's super, super crystal clear. So for anyone that's watching, cause I can see now we're going to comment saying this looks great. We'll definitely check it out. Do go to the website and do explore and.

Again, you've got the eligibility, oh gosh, I can't say that word, that's a bit big, isn't it? Eligibility, yeah, no, it's a very difficult one. My Welsh accent's coming out, isn't it? [00:11:00] But it's, it's easy, so basically you can put in there, I think the, the, the general rule is If you've worked within architecture for a certain period of time, that's what the charity is all about.

It's about us all helping each other within the profession. You can go on here and you can check. And also, yeah, I think a really nice point to mention as well, isn't it? It's more about if you're an architect or, or and, and you're, there's something that's happened in your wider family. And you know, which isn't what the, the, the charity isn't, it's not.

You know, having an accident in front of an architecture computer. It's about your real life happening and all this stuff. Oh, look, Mark's going. Where's Mark going? He's going to get the post. There's Mark at the door, so I'm just running the door. Hey, who is it? We have another guest, won't we? We have the fourth person.

Mark (ABS): Sorry about that. You can still hear me. It's sorry. I love it. Just grabbing posts from the postman. He's got the mic off or not.

Stephen Drew: We can't, we can't get, we couldn't get away with saying anything. There you go. Brilliant. [00:12:00] I've got one important question though, Chance, before we go a little bit further.

Tom, that moustache, is it going to stay after November?

Tom (ABS): Well you've known me long enough, Stephen, to know that I do sometimes, sadly for everyone around me rock this. Maybe it will go, I

Stephen Drew: think we need a campaign. Hashtag Tom keeps the mustache. All right. But yeah, first, first time I met, I was early this year.

Isn't it? Can you remember this was pre COVID era. It's a bit like a dream now, isn't it? When we were in Squires and Partners office where we kindly talked about. What was going on and we kindly and you know, we'll all gather as ambassadors. It was really, really great. I mean, I've always enjoyed it, but it's so like, can you believe how quickly time's gone?

But in, in, in this period, so we got a new website. We've had to retake all the events, but it's, it's been pretty cool, isn't it? And so you've got some. [00:13:00] exciting stuff. We are, we need that picture of one of the chaps who dresses a chicken to raise money. You got the website? Yeah, let's bring it up. And Mark, maybe what we'll do as well, we can do the reveal, can't we, of, of the trailer and I'll do a little drum roll.

Tom (ABS): Yes, we can. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So actually the premiere, you're going to get the, the full, the full length.

Stephen Drew: I don't know if I've got a drumroll noise, see Mark, I've got all these noises here, like people falling over. Yeah, I see a guitar in the background. Yeah, but I haven't got a drumroll. I don't know what that one's for.

We could have put that before the video. Here we go. Yeah,

Mark (ABS): no, I can show you the video now, but yeah, this is our chicken run. It's a, it's an annual event that happens every year. Usually we get a practice to sort of host the event for us. Usually someone who a practice that has a big courtyard that can hold a pretty good after party.

It's all about the after party as far as I'm concerned, but but yeah, we usually get A couple of [00:14:00] hundred people. As you know, Steven, you've done it quite a few times for us and marshaled for us and everything. But yeah, we get a couple of hundred people that usually run from the South side of Blackfriars bridge to a practice somewhere in North or East London.

And it raises quite a lot of money for, for our cause, but we couldn't do it this year. We had to do something else called the cooped up chicken run. Which Tom, you know, famously coined the the the title for it, but Oh, well done. But yeah, we're all pretty pleased with that. When we come up

Tom (ABS): with that.

I don't know. It was, it was a bit silly, isn't it? But it was great. It was suddenly for about a week we had a lot of our supporters and people who knew about us kind of doing these 5k runs, doing these kind of plank competitions dressed up as a chicken. So. People were like, why is this on Instagram?

Why is this on Twitter? I don't quite understand, but then it raises loads of awareness because people click on that and they're like, Oh, this is charity and they can actually help. And that's kind of what a lot of it's about. It's about raising a bit of money, but it's also about like letting you know that we're here, you know, if you need support, and I, you know, [00:15:00] the great, this website is brilliant and it's kind of like kind of one of like the final pieces of the jigsaw puzzle. I kind of think in terms of we have like Helen and Aiden

Stephen Drew: and

Tom (ABS): Deidre who are these very, like very fortunate to have a welfare team, which have years of experience working as social workers.

And then now both Helen and Aiden have both worked for ABS for 10 years. So they have a really good knowledge about. social like help that can give people at the same time as knowing about the architectural profession, a profession at large, and can kind of really bring those two things together to give people the support they need.

And they're very nice. But also now we have a website that can kind of help people on that journey and that easier and kind of reach more people. So

Stephen Drew: it's brilliant. Do you know what I just noticed though? What's that? Look Tom, look at Mark's battery. Have you plugged in your laptop, Mark? Oh my gosh, my battery's going to run out.

It's going to run out of battery! Save Mark, quick! Get the battery! Is it in? Is it plugged in? Yes, it is. Thank God for that. Okay. [00:16:00] There you go. Can you imagine, halfway through the trailer, the reveal, the battery goes. That would be comedy gold, but I'd be like, Mark, no! Brilliant. I love it. Okay, so, how about I thought about it.

Right. Okay. So we're going to, we're going to do the video, but it's important for everyone to remember first that this is going to be when's, when's the official new birthday date, the 175th. It is tomorrow.

Mark (ABS): So people will be seeing this video for the first time because we haven't really shared it with people.

And we actually, we shared it with on, on our press release with, with people in the architectural press, you know, AJ. And obviously the membership bodies that support us, but this was gonna be I think it's might be the, the first time it's being shown actually. Wow. So yeah. To to to everybody public.

Yeah. Yeah.

Stephen Drew: And that, that's going, that's gonna be good. But before that, I've got a present for you guys 'cause Okay. A birthday. With every birthday you've [00:17:00] got to celebrate. Oh! Inception. Right, guys. Right, guys. No, no, don't have a laugh. This is LinkedIn, we've got to be serious. So get serious for a second and let's all sing happy birthday, okay?

Happy birthday

to you, happy birthday to you, happy birthday, happy birthday, happy birthday to

Tom (ABS): you. Yay! Stephen. That's brilliant, that's absolutely brilliant. Alright then. It was a colleague's birthday in the office today and we did try to do this and it was over zoom with the delay singing happy birthday doesn't doesn't work.

I'll join next

Stephen Drew: time and we can play the clip.

Tom (ABS): Just get me in. We needed you. You would have helped in a big way. Yeah, no, it would have been

Stephen Drew: great. Yeah, well, you know, [00:18:00] birthdays are important. We got to find ways, haven't we, during this time, but don't worry. I won't distract you anymore. I'll be quiet for a minute or two and we can play the video.

I'd love to see him.

Mark (ABS): Okay. Well, before we play the video, I'll just equally explain a bit more about the actual video as well. So it's in support of our foundation of support campaign, which we wanted to launch alongside our 170 170th anniversary and obviously the launch of the website. So the campaign is sort of aims to.

Provide a sort of renewed focus on all of our support services. So people know you know, that when they come to us for support, they're not, you know, we're not here just to provide, say, for example, you know somebody comes for us for, for mental health support. We can tell them about the other support services that we have available that might be able to help them as well, such as you know, financial support or disability housing or, or employment advice.

So we've. South this campaign throughout the year every few months, we're going to sort of focus on a particular support service that we have. And we want everybody to sort of [00:19:00] come together, tell their friends, family, and colleagues about ABS being a foundation of support. So we've created this video called ABS, a foundation of support 170 years.

In 170 seconds and it features our president, Jane Duncan, our patron his royal highness, the Duke of Gloucester and some of our beneficiaries and and ambassadors as well. So I'm just going to play you the video now.

Dear colleagues and

friends. This year, the Architects Benevolent Society is celebrating having been a foundation of support for the architectural community and their families for 170 years. Since becoming ABS president in 2018, I've seen really positive advances being made. [00:20:00] ABS has forged new partnerships with organizations that can help people, for example, take control of their finances, and have been involved in events that have raised awareness.

and attractive vital funds that provide a lifeline to those who need it. Some years ago, in 2003, I became patron of ABS, following on from Princess Margaret, who was a great supporter. I hope that you will feel you can support this charity, because it doesn't wish to be restrictive on those it helps, but to be flexible.

Personal and responsive. Its necessity is greater in these difficult times than ever before. So as patron of ABS, I see it as a foundation that I wish to support. The ABS has been around since 1850 when we were founded in the Freemasons Tavern. And since that time, we've helped many thousands of people in terms of individuals and their [00:21:00] families.

Indeed, last year, 2019, we helped nearly 1, 200 people. One of the things we're going to be launching This year is our Foundation of Support campaign. This is going to tell people all about the services we provide, which cover the areas such as money and debt, employment, housing, mental health, physical health and disability.

Of course, asking for help. can be difficult but it only takes one call. ABS is here when things become hard to cope with and can help prevent them spiralling out of control. So I am a project architect for a company called MACE and throughout my career there's been moments where I've experienced personal and professional struggles.

So I reached out to the ABS within a couple of days, I got a call back from them and received really dedicated counseling support, which gave me a better perspective and appreciation for my career. ABS is my foundation of support. ABS is my foundation of support.

Mark (ABS): ABS is my foundation of support. [00:22:00] A BS is my foundation of

support.

A BS is my foundation of support. A BS is my foundation of support. A BS is my foundation of support.

Mark (ABS): A BS is

my

Mark (ABS): foundation of support. A BS is my foundation of support. A BS is my foundation of support. A BS is my foundation of support.

A BS is my foundation of support.

Stephen Drew: Brilliant. Sorry guys, remember I missed the deadline on that, didn't I, so I'm not in there.

It's my fault. Hey, Inception. Well look, hey, good video. Thank you. I like that. I like that virtual audience. So I got, that's, that's my crowd one. I've got a scream mark because of 2020, but the video was very good. All right. So we're, it's more like, look, there's actually a love icon here. So we'll press it.

We'll see what it is, but maybe. It shows my affection for that video. Let's let's see what it's like.[00:23:00]

Fantastic. Brilliant. All right, great. So let's bring up the link for anyone that's on their lunch break. Just in case you're just joining us, you can check out the architects benevolent society at abs. org absnet. org. Dot UK. There you go. Wow. That, that ABS net. There you go. So do check out the charity as well.

But Hey, for me, I think that's a really good introduction. We've got the video. We've explained how to get in touch, what to do. What else? We talked, we talked about Tom's mustache. We're going to keep going to keep

Mark (ABS): it. We could tell you about a really fun event that we've got coming up, which if you haven't sorted out your work Christmas party yet, then this is.

This is a really, really fun event that you get everybody at work involved in. Tell me, do you want to explain? And I'll show if I share my screen and brilliant in

Tom (ABS): the summer, we we did a, a virtual quiz event and I know I was kind of [00:24:00] worried when I was first planning it, cause I knew everyone was.

Maybe sick to death of doing these kind of virtual events as a quiz or doing them at home. I know I've done quite a few, but it ended up being really successful. We had we were really lucky. We managed to get a representative from each of the professions that we've support. So we had Adam White from the Lantica Institute.

We had Jane Duncan, who former president of Reba and Eddie Weir, who's the current president of the CIAT as different hosts. So they all presented around. In a big quiz. And they've all agreed actually to do it again this time for for a Christmas quiz. And it's the way it works.

You're using Zoom teams. So we've got breakout rooms. So trying to create that kind of pub quiz feel. So you can sign up for a team of five and that means that you can take part socially distanced from anywhere across the whole world, I guess really. And but through the breakout rooms we'll go through a round of 10 questions and then You'll get about 10 to 15 minutes to talk amongst yourselves as a team and try to think of your answers and then we'll come back in and it's a bit of fun.

There's gonna be some prizes for the [00:25:00] winners. They're very, I mean, the, the, the hosts are very affable and very they bring a lot of life to the to the whole day. But it's mainly just a bit of fun and again, helps us raise a bit of money to support the work we're doing. And also though, I think I, I, I mean, I don't know how you two feel this, but like during lockdown, during this whole year, really, I felt so many events that I, I personally rely on a lot to stay happy, I guess, and, and, and to feel connected with people kind of have been taken away.

So I think a big effort has been made from us and we want to continue it next year and trying to bring on events. In a way of supporting the community in that way and trying to bring people together because it's you normally have this kind of work events where you come together and a bit of fun.

You do a bit of like talking, but then you have a bit of fun afterwards, and that's kind of also what I'm hoping this will be and hopefully plug that gap because I know a lot of Christmas work. Those are going to be affected by lockdown and the implications that that's had to everybody. I love

Stephen Drew: it. I think that's great.

You know, when I think of Christmas parties, I'm [00:26:00] thinking, I think of this kind of thing, you know, we got a little dance, we got a groove. Guys, can we have a little dance in the, in the X mas party

Tom (ABS): at the end of the quiz? Well, there's a, there's a prize for the best Christmas jumpers and best, best Christmas dress.

So we'll definitely, yeah, yeah, I can bring in a dance. Maybe try, try it, implement that as well. Be good.

Mark (ABS): We should also just say as well that it's been sponsored by amazing sponsors extra firm Keystone and the Birmingham architectural association. So thank you a shout out to them. Thanks very much for sponsoring it and getting people involved, but helping make it happen.

Yeah, totally. Yeah. Yeah. They're, they're, they're all like a great bunch and really supportive of the, of the charity and the people we help. So cheers. But yeah, please sign up. It would be fantastic. Yeah. Yeah. So hurry up, hurry up.

Stephen Drew: Hurry up. Hurry up. Yeah. I've got a little banner at the bottom for you guys.

Go to the website now. Quick

Mark (ABS): sign up a team because it is so much fun. [00:27:00] Like I it's, I've worked at ABS now for like, you know, coming on seven years and it's one of the best events that we've done. It's just a lot of fun. A really, really good laugh as well. And you know, people dress up and it's silly and it's just, yeah.

So Quizmas is called yeah. Was that you again,

Stephen Drew: Tom?

Mark (ABS): That was actually another colleague. That was another colleague of ours who, when we were trying to think of a name for the event, she said I shouldn't say she, they said, they said, they said Christmas by mistake, trying to say Christmas. And then I said, Brian, that's a great name.

So yeah, we stuck with that. So, but yeah, no, it'd be really good to sign up while while, while we still got tickets

Stephen Drew: left as Tom said, they're selling out. So I'm going to try and name the next event. Okay. Next time you get an event, guys, you tell me first and see if I can talk.

Mark (ABS): Oh, two chickens.

That's, that's, that's, that's, that [00:28:00] was brilliant. That was genius.

Stephen Drew: Well, this is, this is it. So we've got one or two more columns to come in. So. So apparently we're brilliant indeed. Thank you so much Mera. Marucci says hilarious bunch. Happy birthdays. Happy birthday guys. There you go as well. Pia Vento says ABS braking system.

Nope, this is the Arctic's Benevolent Society. This is not a bike park, but there you go. Pia, it's a great charity. Nothing to do with bikes. Although Yeah, well, you've got the, well, the chicken run normally, that's a bit of activity, isn't it? Well, we have

Tom (ABS): a lot of fundraisers who, like, do events for us and often do sponsored bike rides.

So we've got a lot of love for bikes here as well.

Stephen Drew: Yeah. Love it. Yeah. Well, I love it. All right, fantastic. So little roundup. Again, I'm going to put up the little little ticker at the bottom, but check out the Arctic's benevolent society, offering support and variety of ways for anyone working within the architectural profession.

And again, you check out the events. And I think that's a really good [00:29:00] important point to raise. You can have fun and help people. And you know, I think that's the general way to go about it. It's a, it's a really great charity. I love being involved as an ambassador. Tom, do you need any remote ambassadors as well at the moment?

Or are we, are we full up to the brim with ambassadors?

Tom (ABS): I, well, I just, any landscape architects who are watching this. I would be very interested in trying to recruit a few more so just to try and get a bit more representation. But, but yeah, if, if you're, if you're, if you really support our work and you like volunteering and you've got some time and you care and want to do it, then I'm always happy to please get in touch.

My email is tom. shaw at absnet. Okay. I'd love to hear from you. Yeah, always again. Also, if you're if you're a practice watching this and you want to get more involved with us and want to try and support us, I'd love to hear from you as well. We're always trying to do things and work together and try to build those relationships.

So yeah, please, please get in touch. It'd be great to hear from you.

Stephen Drew: Yeah. Brilliant. All right. [00:30:00] Fantastic. So I think that is a really nice note to leave it on, but I've got a kind of, I've got to, we've got to do a little, we've got to go out with a bang. Okay. So Tom's already seen this. So Mark, okay. Mark, thank you for coming on the show.

I absolutely love the charity. Now, now, you can go to the ABS, ABS North, WK, go now, enjoy, alright, okay. Thank you very much, Joe. Okay. I'm not a singer, I'm not a singer, I tried, but I, I, I couldn't get the website, it's a really hard domain to say. When you've got a voice on, thank you so much, gentlemen, all right?

This LinkedIn. Okay. So no laughing. Thank you so much, gentlemen. Thank you so much to [00:31:00] the audience. I really enjoyed this. Do check out the website. Steven. No worries. I will now end the broadcast, but gentlemen, you can stay in here for a second. No swearing. All right. Now, you guys are the professional ones.

I'm not. Okay. All right. Thank you so much, everyone. Thanks, everyone. Cheers. Take care. Bye bye.