How to Land Your First Architect Role

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Okay. So I'll see you. Oh, my gosh, thank you.

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Unknown
I never thought I would be this side. Normally, I was the no. You kid in the back. Not really. Well, I finally said I was always easily distracted, so maybe I should tell you quickly about me. So I did my part. Went to Westminster, did my part two of Manchester, and I worked in the architecture industry. Don't worry.

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Unknown
I know you work in interiors and you're all in third year. Is that right? So this year we're going to be looking for the job. Right. And you're going, oh my gosh, what am I going to be doing. Oh you must be feeling. Yeah I can do it. And either emotion sign. So I did architecture for free for years.

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Unknown
And as a chat you know what you person at the back I went I don't really want to do my part free. Not like the proper architects that you got here. But I was passionate about the industry and I thought, what else could I do? And I was looking at this thing called BIM as an interior design. Is you guys going to be boring now?

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Unknown
I don't want to do anything to do with them. But I was thinking of it. And then I finally said, what do you think about this recruitment thing? And I was like, what the heck is recruitment? And they went, well, you help people get jobs and you get paid money for it. And I went, is that a thing?

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Unknown
Sign me up, I'm going to do it. And so I went on this journey. And so over the last 12 years, I've recruited for arguably the top architectural practices in the UK and some of those are interior design companies as well. So, for example, if you want to work at the fancy ones like Zaha Hadid and have a work and, you know, I have work as designers, I've recruited for them.

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Unknown
So I've seen behind the scenes on more CV's and portfolios, grabbed their attention, and I've also seen the ones that get ignored. And there's a lot of lessons in there that I had no clue. How would you know? You know, it's like the kind of things that I picked up now, I didn't know back then, you know, think and I'm going to share them all with you.

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Unknown
So don't worry. There's no secrets here. So what I was thinking is rather than, PowerPoints, and then I get lost in the thing, we'd have an interactive conversation. So maybe I can go through a bit of the process, but also then you can ask any questions that you have, anything you're anxious about? I promise you, there is not a silly question.

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Unknown
I didn't know any of this, and I'd rather you just get it out of your system because it's kind of scary going getting that job and that actually, I remember taking some counseling sessions on the third floor here because I was like, I don't know what I'm going to do. How am I going to get a job? And they were actually really good here on that.

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Unknown
So if I can do anything today, it's to help you get those jobs. And so interior architecture, it gives you a lot of options. But also I can touch on this. Well maybe you think and I do want to be an interior designer or an interior architect. Or maybe you're thinking can I take that qualification and do something else?

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Unknown
And then the short answer is you can, because sometimes it doesn't feel it when you're in the this the class really travel because you're all actually very smart. But you know how it feels in the studio. You've always got that one person that's done, the friend tower, and they've got the best staff and you're like, oh my gosh, I can't do that.

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Unknown
But you have to remember you're all very talented people. And yes, it is competitive out there, but there is enough jobs out there okay. And so be in the room. You know, like at the gigs, everyone takes pictures. So you see this guy over here, this beautiful young specimen, he's going to get the audio. I will send it to all of you that ask me and I'll give you notes with AI, because it's quite good in that stuff.

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Unknown
And I do think you should use AI when you can, but think of it like an assistant. I don't want you all drafting covering letters with all that obvious AI stuff, but of course use it to help yourself. You just can't let them know that. And you have to think of it like they're an employee, so they're going to help you.

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Unknown
But you got to check it all yourself. And you know that from your class. You know, you got to think like, right? I got to do what my teacher did remain. So now we're at the end of January. What time? Roughly. It's we finished the course. It's late. Like April. Okay. And you're going to be oh my gosh, I got to get ready for the end of your show and print all the stuff and the CV and portfolio.

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Unknown
Take a breather. Everything you learned today kind of keep them. That's why it's good we do the transcript break. So I want you to panic. Now the the goal is really for you to do the best in the course you can, but it's good to digest this because I don't want you to then panic when you get the job.

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Unknown
Well, I'm. And the best time really is the moment you get your grades. Yeah, you do your plans and you get your pen apps. So your teachers are not angry with you. But if you can jump on the job bandwagon, I promise you, early bird does catch the word definitely. So, you know, it's very tempting to go for four weeks in Bali and if you are really knackered then do it.

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Unknown
But if you can look for a job, you might be people in the cave. Now there's loads of preconceptions on it, right? Where do I look for a job? And most people will go, I don't know, I'll speak to a recruiter or you will look on. What's the popular interior design job? Design. Have you had a design design jobs?

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Unknown
That's usually the number one thing that people think of now. The problem is with design. You all nodded when I said it. It's the easiest thing. Place to find the job. Everyone that my mum loads up design jobs and they go, I'm going to wake up today and it's going to be my lucky day, baby. There's going to be a junior interior designer role and I'm going to apply for it and I'm ready.

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Unknown
And it might not be one now, but then the day it comes, you go, hey, I'm ready and guess what? Everyone else is applying for that role as well because the optics on that are really high. So the secret blueprint, which I need to trademark then Secret Blueprint, what do you think we should call it? The thieves crazy secret blueprint.

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Unknown
But I work with they went yeah why not. Is name now 80% of jobs are not advertised. Oh, I also forgot to mention that while I do recruitment, I went back to the architecture practice. I worked out to help them out for two years on recruitment. So I've been the in-house hiring manager and when they go, Steve, we need a bunch of part one.

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Unknown
So interior architecture students I got yeah, I got them. And then I go, right, what's the first thing. Where's the first place. Take a look. Oh well I'm gonna have a look in the inboxes first before advertising because it's easier. And I'd go, hey, Jeff, what you think about this one? This one? This one. Yeah. They could bring them in.

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Unknown
If you apply for companies without even jobs, they you create opportunities for yourself. So the biggest misconception is don't wait for the saying, sure, if they post an ad, go for it. But just manage your expectations that there's a lot of eyeballs on them. However, apply to companies now, the other thing that our parents taught us, our lovely parents, they really care.

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Unknown
But they always say, when you think of a stranger or someone is really busy, the idea of interrupting them is may be rude. You know, to other people you shouldn't talk to strangers. So we have this weird compliance about us where we go, like, I'm just gonna wait for a job ad. I'm not going to be really rude.

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Unknown
The easiest way to get a job is to apply to every interior design company you can further in your career. When you're a big wig, you know you don't know, right? You know, you build up your your network. You can be way more selective, but in a nice way. You guys are fresh as I was, unless you've got a rich architect uncle or interior designer.

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Unknown
And if you have, good for you. I wouldn't be jealous. I didn't have one boet use that. Great. Why now? That's what life's about. But probably you don't know anyone like me. So the upside of that is who gives a monkey's? Let's just apply to everywhere. You don't have a network so you can build one. So if you think like screw it, I'm going to do as much volume as possible.

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Unknown
That's why some architecture, you know, academics help me off because I'm like volume and I oh, got to tailor everything. Yes and no. You want to spend a lot of time on that CV and portfolio and I can give you tips on that. But once you get it ready, you then you maximize your reach. You find out where that list of interior design companies are or architectural companies.

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Unknown
Some architecture companies have interior design teams. So that and sometimes, you know, like especially interior architects, you kind of in the world both like me interior designer, interior architect like I call it the Chelsea Gold strip, you know, and you've got all and beautiful houses that I only wish I can afford. But there's amazing opportunities for you there.

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Unknown
And. And that's the thing. You maybe you go into office interior design, maybe go into residential interior design. Who knows, you might kind of have a feeling of it, but especially if you've never been for an interview before, if you get as many applications as you can, it will really help you out. Now, the reason I'm bringing this up first, because I also do career coaching and everyone comes to me going, I need to fix my portfolio.

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Unknown
I go, okay, and usually 90% of the session is all about this is changing your perception and being resourceful with your time. I get in trouble as well because some tutors will go. You need to write a cover letter. You need to write to have a week. Go, Thomas, I followed you ever since. The now the wibbly wobbly.

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Unknown
You are the best in the world. And it is good. And you write this thing, you go. I've been playing with my connect set and Lego, and I am the Sims. And I knew that I wanted to work for you. I've been an interior designer ever since playing Sims one and two. Yeah, yeah, yeah, we were all that, right.

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Unknown
But like, should get a cover in that app, but only change 1 or 2 things. People hemorrhage half an hour going, oh, I sent free applications today to do a covering that for Thomas. And I don't have a cover letter for Patrick at Zaha Hadid. And by the end of it you're like, bloody hell, this is this is taking ages.

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Unknown
So you do, you tailor your CV and portfolio and cover that. So the ten dream companies you want to do and for everyone else, you do a generic one, but you don't make it look generic. You don't go, dear sir madam, you have a quick look and they website and you customize the email. Everyone focuses on the cover layer, but the cover letter was basically for all fogies like me that when the internet was coming around or you didn't have big files, they would print the letter.

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Unknown
The front end in the office. That's where an email is. The email is the most important document. No one talks about the title of the email. No one talks about the size of the attachments. But keep it simple. You would go so on. My name is Stephen Drew and I was an architect for the system part one. So you'd say like you're a graduate interior designer, whatever it is, looking for a job.

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Unknown
And the number one tip, don't worry, I'll send you the transcript, but feel free to go through it and write it down. But in the email is always who, what, where? When? Why? Who are you? I'm Steve, I'm a part one architectural assistant. Where am I? I'm in central London. That's the who. Oh, what am I, where am I, when am I?

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I'm available now. I can come meet you now. Why do I want to work for you? Because I like your company and I want to get a job. Who, what, where, where and when. That is all you need in an email. Because I'm a business owner as well. And whenever there's a vacancy in my business, it's because I have a problem and I'm trying to sell.

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Unknown
So if you say who you are, what you are, when you're available, why you want to work fast enough, you know, should I do a few quick ones about CV's and portfolios and all this stuff? Okay. Number one, cool, fun, all that stuff. Keep it clean, keep it sexy. You guys got Adobe through the university. All right. We're going to we're going to dust up on InDesign I don't want none of them.

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Unknown
Word documents. Yeah, you're interior designers, man. Come on. We can't be peddling words. You're like, oh, gosh, here he goes. Create more work. I know, sorry, but you probably probably use the interior design portfolios. And if not, it's a really good thing. I don't want none of them people in here that go. Oh, now, if I know Photoshop, I'm going to do it all in there.

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Unknown
No, you're going to do it in InDesign because sorry. And I you know, I did it too. But like now we we're gonna go in InDesign. Listen, I sound better than it is, but I made all these mistakes because there was in the in Photoshop, you end up with this 20 megabyte raster vision and it prints out weird and you get an InDesign.

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Unknown
It's bad for CV. Okay, 1 to 2 pages max. One's fine. You know, if you've not worked in the practice or you're not had work experience, you might feel a bit conscious about that doesn't really matter if you have had the experience in some shape or form. Great. Put it up at the top. But I didn't. I was working in Waitrose, Melbourne around the corner, so I put that in there and they got me fine because it's still good to show if you've done something and you've not, and you've been in bed for three years and that's okay to, then that's fine.

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Unknown
But you always want to show number one. So I didn't mean to look at you like that. I'm probably, you know, I'm just looking around the room. He's like, this guy's sense of glazing was terrible. Okay. Name at the top. What position you are? Graduate interior, design them contact details. Oh my gosh. But imagine I really like your application.

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Unknown
I'm going to ring you out from when I can't get through. Terrible. So always put your number. Ideally have a UK number as well. Because even though you're international student, some people are really weird in the UK about it's not a UK number and they go, I don't know if we got the minutes here or whatever, so they don't do it.

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Unknown
Even if you're London doesn't cost them, you don't want to make that mistake. So always have a UK number, always put down a London address, especially in the London area. And even if you're renting your digs wherever, it's like Camden, London, because the amount of applications that come through, where is someone halfway around the world. And as an employee it feels like a waste of time.

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Unknown
And so now if you're in London but you're happy to go up to Manchester, you love it or whatever, great. Put that in. But make it specific, you know, that all kind of paints this picture of this person's ready to go, ready to go, ready to go. Because really, if an employer is excited to me and you, then they want to hire you, they'll go, great, can you start next week?

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Unknown
And you go, oh yeah, but don't worry, you make it work. We all do. I went, yeah, yeah, I'll start. And I'm like, spare room, where do I go? But wait, wait, wait. You make it work, you know? But that's the main things with CV's now it's I'm not talking about it's the main things software is also quite important.

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Unknown
If you were in architecture they be quite precious about knowing stuff like Revit. I don't think that's the case in interior design. I would assume that they really care about Photoshop and a bit of cards, and your ability. Right? Yeah, but some kind of dark environment. Yeah. You guys are lucky because in art, in architecture it's all about Revit, but it's how you are.

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Unknown
If you wanted to be an interior designer in an architecture practice, which is great, and you like Perkins and, well, it's a great company, you know, great career, then even if you were left writing, it's a top step, right? Will it up for me to be an expert and go, oh my God, this is terrible. Whatever. It's like, oh, architects use this look.

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Unknown
But if you will, and I guarantee you they go to the interview and they go, you know, pay it. Ready? Oh, God. Get you in. Because, the architects draw in that. And if you understand it, as an interior designer, they will love it. So that's a hack while we're talking along the way, other things are important in CV's.

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Unknown
So I mentioned kind of the order of experience. If you've got a software, I always like to for the amount of years that you've done before. So like Photoshop probably used it for three years now, isn't it? Because everyone has a worthy boss and another thing, I'm really old, right? So I don't really know what the new logo is.

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Unknown
So someone has got the new Photoshop logo and I'm like, I don't know what the heck, but is this a P? I'm going to get this Photoshop and you think, oh, it looks quite cool. I got all the logos, but for the old fogies like me put in the name of the software. So for Adobe Photoshop CC for years, if you've used back to X or whatever, one year, put that in and you can say intermediate or whatever, no problem.

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Unknown
What else software's really important experience is poor and, references. Oh, I got to ask people all this stuff. There's a hack to do a name, and you can pressure your lovely tutor here. You know, you've got to see your work and agree, but there's a number one way. So, I used to be here. And Francois and Constance, we here.

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Unknown
They still go now. They still. They're in architecture. You've seen them around, right? So, yeah. Then I'd be like, oh, Francois, can I have a reference? And you take me ages and eventually I got one. Really? That's all you need in your CV is the names of two people. So if you can just say. And one of them say, now you worked in Waitrose like me, what I did is I got one of my references from Waitrose, go ahead.

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Unknown
And Steve turns up and he can stack the shelf and you know, and then the other references from A to A just by name drop in them is enough. 99.9% of employers, one of your lovely teachers. But the fact it's there carries a lot of weight. The other thing as well, at the end you put down some languages if you know them.

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Unknown
I only knew English and I'm Welsh. It's embarrassing. I don't even speak Welsh. But you know, if you if you're one of them. Really cool people like my partner who speaks like three languages and makes me feel, say, whack them down. That's really handy because an international idea will like that. But extracurricular activities found. Say you enjoy music and movies.

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Unknown
Everyone does them. So maybe include things like, if you've done a competition entry in interior design, that's great. Or you part of the chess club, I mean, I was and this is all me projecting like, you should do this, but I didn't do that. But anything design that you do or anything out of your way if you're involved with a student union, anything like that is great.

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Unknown
That speaks volumes. Oh, like for example. So in recruitment, I got this person an interview at Grimshaw and he went and I'm really nervous, all this stuff. And then in the CV at the end, of course they had to have the skills there. But in the end it said, oh, I'm part of a rugby club. Whatever. Didn't, I didn't think anything of it.

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Unknown
But in the interview the person was like, oh, I'm into rugby. And then they had half an hour of that and half an hour chatting about rugby. It could be art, it could be photography because you're in the world of interior design. So, you know, talking about stuff like that, going to talks is really interesting. And then that conversation, you mean the person had the goods, but then they talked on a human level and then the person was like, they're great.

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Unknown
We want to get them in. Really lovely person. I can work with them. And so extracurricular activities can be really well. And just think about what you do. You might think to me like, oh my gosh, I don't know what I do, but I guarantee you, if you rummage around, there's something in them. If not, leave it out.

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Unknown
Other quick things with CVS, I think we've interior design CVS. I see it sometimes. They can be really, really creative and I like it, but always make sure that they legible and always make sure that the file size is not too big when you attach it. So that CVS and we can do questions in the Bam. But let's quickly talk about the portfolio.

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Unknown
So you probably going to be sending the portfolio. Now. The portfolio that you send to companies doesn't need to be the one you take to an interview, which is like 40. I have 30 pages or whatever. You might have your whole project. So ten, 20 pages, right? It's called a sample portfolio. Right? So think of that. You don't want to send the full things you've done for three years in the you know, you can expand the product in the interview, but what you want to send them is a taster.

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Unknown
The best hits. You know, like you walk down the street and you go to the market and they go there a bit of this, you know, and you go, oh yeah, don't mind if I do. That's what the sample portfolio is. So you want to best hits all killer. No fella. Boom boom boom. 4 or 5 pages of your best things could be even three pages.

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Unknown
All killer, no filler. You want to excite people enough so they can come in and talk about your projects in the interview. Main thing is if. Yeah, if you've done a bit of work experience and you can put that in, I don't know what mood boards you did at Martin Brzezinski design studio, stuff like that. Cool. Probably not going to have that level.

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Unknown
Why would you? So if you have that unfair advantage, use it. But if you're a normal person like me that didn't have the chance and you work at Waitrose, well, I'm not going to put Waitrose in, but I focus on the third year project because this year is probably going to be your strongest project really, isn't it? There's 1 or 2 exceptions where you might talk about a second year project, but usually your first year project is your strongest because you're kind of gearing up.

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Unknown
You're learning, you know, you look back in your first year and, you know, we all get to London and we go out and have fun and you become in adults and you bounce in there, and then you do it all late nights and you kind of get there and you learn, and your third year is more it's your best one, probably because you kind of build in that B experience.

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Unknown
So focus on them at the start. Sometimes you'll do the other way around like, oh, I'm going to tell a story about how I started like this. And then I'll say, what? What do I want to see where I'm interviewing now? So always do your most recent project at the front of the portfolio and keep the sheets all killer?

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Unknown
No, for variety, I don't need to see ten sounds by architecture. About like ten floor plans. Give me one floor plan. Give me one. But so you're you're cool interior designers. So let me think what it be like. You have the mood board, but then you maybe have, like, that beautiful collage, you know, and you feel the room out, and then you, you say what things are.

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Unknown
Maybe you do a little bit of an architectural drawing a tiny bit, you know, like, kind of think what I would do is like, I would when I was in architecture, I would do the F in the drawings and send them to the interior designer. I used to get jealous, actually. I was like, that's the best bit, and I'm doing this.

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Unknown
I don't know what I'm drawing, but you know, you do them for bits of your project. You show like a more close in thing that zoomed out and the idea that's where you want just a bit of that variety, not ten of one thing. Think okay, no filler. So for me, thinking of architecture, I'd be like, right, I'm going to get a nice accent metric, right?

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Unknown
I'm going to get a nice technical detail because I have to because I didn't do interior design. You did the right thing. You know, but I would get all that to show of variety. Does that make sense? Can attach this even portfolio together if you want or separate, but try to keep the files under ten megabytes. Companies are weird.

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Unknown
They have firewalls. They got sorry, we can't accept things over a certain amount of megabytes. So if it's under ten megs, 15 at a push, you're more likely to get in. But make sure the email's really clear, okay. And so when you're doing the search, remember at the start I crashed the zine jobs, I crashed them. Everyone's looking into it.

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Unknown
So where are you going to look. Number one is a list. I think there's a few magazines of like top interior design studios in the UK. Was that there's that bougie one that I have. I'm a coffee, but I have a home in design of some End. Yeah, you can get them also top tip on the bid is that that's the Building Institute of Interior Designers.

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Unknown
There's a list of companies which are members. So you can go there, get the list or the hardcore way, which is the best way in my opinion. You just load up Google and you type interior design, and then you load it up and you go out there, you like a complete weirdo. You go and look at different areas of London and you go, right, what's in Chelsea?

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Unknown
And you find loads of them, you know, you flatmate, you'll be like, what do you do? And you're like, I'm finding the job. What this crazy world person told me to do. But you just go and you go in this area and I have a very simple Excel sheet. Don't need to be big, don't need to calculate all that stuff.

00:25:04:12 - 00:25:23:14
Unknown
But you just go in an area and then you go like Steve Drew interior design. You just put that in you spreadsheet and then you quickly look on the website no more than two free minutes. You go in the contact page, you see if there's any jobs there. If not, you're still applying. You have a quick look, you get an email.

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Unknown
Could be hello, ask Steve Drew, interior design.com. Great. Cool. Send the email there. But quickly before I do that who am I addressing it to? You have a quick look at the about page and you go. This mediocre interior design studio was set up by Steve Drew here, and I wouldn't be as good as you guys, but there you go.

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Unknown
Right. Steve's run this so you address it the Steve probably. I ain't reading it, but you just put someone's name down familiar because it's much better than Steve a dear sir madam, you know and and then that just shows you cared a little bit. And I have a rule. If you really want to customize something, you customize one sentence on email.

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Unknown
You don't put in cover in that as. And I try to avoid covering that as unless you really have to, which is a bit controversial. But I've seen so many people follow up on that because they will say the name of the company on the third paragraph and then everyone, they'll change and then they'll get really tired, and then they forget that they forgot to change the name, and then they go to Steve.

00:26:27:01 - 00:26:47:16
Unknown
Andrew, I've been waiting to work at Shake Studio for years and you're like, that's not mine. Came up busted. So I have a rule only customize the one sentence at the top, because when you are tired you will make mistakes. So if you go, oh, congratulations on the beautiful new project in Chelsea. That's your one liner in the email.

00:26:47:17 - 00:27:07:22
Unknown
That's enough. One line you customize and you customize the name. And then when you look at the about page, if you're cheeky and you see Steve Drew, then it says, Steven that interior design studio.com. Well, it's the Steve and the hello inbox. You then put that in Excel stream you go Steve drew studio sent application. Put the website link.

00:27:07:22 - 00:27:27:08
Unknown
If you want and then you go date you sent assignees okay. And you go to next. And that we really have because the big trap the most people go and they go off looking for jobs all week. And then I go, right, how many of you done? They go, really busy. Steve and I go, come on. You didn't answer my question.

00:27:27:08 - 00:27:56:21
Unknown
I went soundbar at seven. This way. Come on, dude, there's a rookie numbers, man. You know? But you're like, oh my God, this guy's been a bit demanding. But I promise you, if you do that methodology, you can do. I think what I just said of quickly look in it's contact page to the fan customize. And one thing I think once you spent like a few hours on the course, even portfolio, you can do that within ten minutes, right?

00:27:56:23 - 00:28:09:00
Unknown
I think ten minutes. You can load up a website, find out who the founder is and send an email ten minutes. That phone.

00:28:09:02 - 00:28:29:02
Unknown
Maybe 20. Okay, I'm going to even even do 25, right? Even 20. That's even do 20. You really want to take your time and then assume that I want them off. But even 20, that's free in an hour. If you sit down for seven hours like a working dive, but you get nine, 9:00 and you have a break and you have a proper lunch.

00:28:29:03 - 00:28:50:06
Unknown
If you sit down 9 to 5, 7.5 hours in the day or whatever, I'm we just said 20 minutes. That's free. And an hour of my max is terrible. By 20 to 25 CV's a day. That's a day of the 20 minutes you're done in a day. Then you do it for five days. That's a hundreds. You do this for two free weeks.

00:28:50:12 - 00:29:16:15
Unknown
You've done three 400 applications and you will get interviews. Because when I got a job, everyone and they I look where I learned this all was not me. This was this was my flatmate. Because I only did like five did. I was the person that did five in the week and then my flatmate when I've done 300 this week and I felt like a problem, I went, well, what have you done?

00:29:16:15 - 00:29:35:01
Unknown
And the one I'm just emailing everyone. And then I when you know, in my, you know, went back to my room and I went, oh that's very and you know, like, that's not personal. I went, now I'm doing it the hard way.

00:29:35:03 - 00:29:57:01
Unknown
And then the next week he got into the business ideas and I went, I want to swallow my pride after, you know, being in the kitchen going, you know, when you see these. Well, selling out, I was like that guy, you know what I mean? And then like, pushy thing is just spamming them around after all this. And then he got in this and I was like, I'm projecting my fears of being rejected or whatever.

00:29:57:01 - 00:30:21:04
Unknown
It was all in my head, like, you know, it was all me going for. And then he was like, yeah, I got three interviews this week. I'm going to get a suit and stuff, and I'm at war. So I just learned to do that. And I sat down and I found a list of architectural practices, and I went A to Z, and then after, I started getting replies and then and then this was the time the global wasn't a pandemic, it was a global recession.

00:30:21:04 - 00:30:45:04
Unknown
So it was like the big one before the pandemic. And there was a figure around, there's no job. And I promise you, I had seven interviews and I had two job offers and and no one and no one now everyone was like, I there's no jobs, you know? And it was because I took his methodology and got over myself and my design ego of being like, you know, this is very impersonal.

00:30:45:06 - 00:31:05:21
Unknown
You all can do it. And so I was like, yeah, of course, telling the first few dream companies, but try that because the quicker you do it, the quicker you get there, the better. Also, I was like, I never interviewed in my life, not a proper one, you know, like I was nervous about the waitress when you go into an architecture practice was like, oh my God, what are they going to ask me?

00:31:05:23 - 00:31:25:03
Unknown
You know, you get your print outs and back then I had this massive, you know, A0, A1 was going down the road. Now I can like A3 fine A3 portfolio, but like I think it's nice to print a portfolio when you go for an interview. By now you all cool kids got tablets. They weren't really around when I was through them.

00:31:25:05 - 00:31:46:20
Unknown
Could take a tablet but do print some stuff out because tablet might not work like like yeah, okay, sorry I didn't do a presentation. But when you get here it's like, yeah, I'll plug it in and then you panic and then you kind of like, oh, sorry, you got a mac? I got a PC, it'll already work. And then you just kind of all freaking out, like, so you just have a print and then you have a tablet.

00:31:46:23 - 00:32:04:02
Unknown
So you do a print of like the key 1020 sheets, but you go, listen, if nothing's in there, I got some more stuff on my tablet. And if it's not in there and they ask about something, you go, no problem, I'll follow up with that information if you have it after the interview. And the thing about an interview, don't panic.

00:32:04:02 - 00:32:25:09
Unknown
There were conversations they feel really stressful. It's like The Apprentice. You're like, So then you and I felt that I'm getting better at them now, but they are a conversation. And if you can just try your best to engage, that's better. Do rehearse your portfolio, but don't memorize it. Don't kind of get lost. It's a conversation if you can.

00:32:25:13 - 00:32:49:18
Unknown
Like. Yeah, I'm trying to, you know, keep it going. I'm trying to engage you all. But there's nothing like, you know, when you're in crates, there's always someone in the studio. Maybe it's one of you guys and you go, my project is an a generative thing, and I've you lose people, you know, like they go, I'm sorry. I like, and on this, you know, like, forget it.

00:32:49:23 - 00:33:16:01
Unknown
Like, and if that is you, you've got to get in the room, because actually, I probably fudge loads of things I'm saying. Yeah, but I'm here and I'm real, and that's the thing. And if you can just go like you, you rehearse your portfolio. So that you feel like whatever they ask, I'll give you a human answer. That's the level, of course, you want to say what it is, but I guarantee you it's that conversation in a way that makes it really personal.

00:33:16:03 - 00:33:45:03
Unknown
Just be yourself. And if you mess one up, Cass. But also if they say you want to meet online or in person, you are really tempted to put online and say it's nice, but go in person because it's like buying a car without even seeing it. It could be a damn fool. That sounds really bad. Actually. It might not be very professional environment, but you know, you might think, oh my gosh, it's so late in the game at five and you finish that up A67 people are still there.

00:33:45:04 - 00:34:07:15
Unknown
Do I want to work in an environment like that or something? You go on website was a bit crap, but then you go and you're like, oh my gosh, you found this great building up this website. She's got these cool projects. I could be part of this from the ground up. We do judge books by covers and I think go through it and even if it's a dud interview or whatever you practice in your interview skills.

00:34:07:16 - 00:34:30:20
Unknown
So the best case scenario is that you get the job offer. Worst case scenario is you have fantastic experience and you've gone for an interview, so you kind of a winner either way. That make sense? Have I missed anything? I kind of rambled around for I ramble. When did I ramble? Or as I say, anything else, anything important is all right.

00:34:30:22 - 00:35:04:22
Unknown
He's got to say that. So I pay the salary that way. Guy why don't we do some questions? Do have any Q&A? Because I can keep going. But I'm very happy to answer any questions. Nothing stupid. Does anyone have any questions? Maybe on their worries about the job search cover in that series? Hey, guess. Yes. In the current, cluster, we have an intern that we kind of advanced to, like 2 to 3% of all work on this, right?

00:35:05:00 - 00:35:24:12
Unknown
We have seen. Do you recommend adding pictures or do you think that that's okay? I think it can be either or like I kind of see like I think it's nothing wrong with a worthy CV. Our portfolio. The thing is, everyone has a way. And what you going to think is this is the Stephen Drew crazy Welshman. I thought you might want to listen to me.

00:35:24:14 - 00:35:45:05
Unknown
That's my way. And you want to borrow the brain. The right way is the way that works. And if my way works and it's the right way, if my way don't work and works another way, that's the right way. Everyone has an opinion. Some people say the government is the most important thing you need to do. Three things I would just say as long as they both cohesive and you are design that you make a call.

00:35:45:08 - 00:36:06:03
Unknown
You know you go candidate need them here because the portfolio serves it. That's fine. If them images work fine I'm happy with either you know there's no right or wrong way. I sometimes joke like on my tombstone would be how many CVS are in a portfolio? And I like, depending what mood I'm on. The day I got an hour today it's free, right?

00:36:06:08 - 00:36:30:15
Unknown
But I the it's a feel and the way I think you right because I mean I mean it's been a while since but like you know apps data and algorithms are all about attention isn't it. Grabbing people's attention is this tension. That's the thing. You've got 15 seconds grab people's attention. And if they kind of like what they see, they give you another 15, they give you another 15.

00:36:30:15 - 00:36:45:11
Unknown
It's like a dating profile is like a real it's like everything. So you just kind to think of it like that. People are busy. So what can you do to grab their attention? And it could be with the images on or off. So don't beat yourself up about that. And sometimes people can get in. It says going, oh my God.

00:36:45:11 - 00:37:09:23
Unknown
My director said that. Steve said that I can't do both. And so and you can experiment with some things and it's okay to update things as you go. But also I should mention if you want to and I'll send the link after. So I pay for a free forum. It's completely for free. And if you do want to join me, I do career coaching for free every Friday at lunch.

00:37:10:01 - 00:37:30:03
Unknown
Sorry, it was the only time that worked on my schedule. I can't by that time I do charge for career coaching 101 and I ain't cheap. So if you come on a Friday it's for free. Otherwise you want one on one. It starts for free 100, right? Because I don't want to do one on one. I want to help you all.

00:37:30:05 - 00:37:55:01
Unknown
And the point is, people pay me for that and they get jobs, I guarantee you. Come on, I'll help you for free. That kind of answer the question. I started there and I went like this. And then I talked about my free forum, and I went on a waffle. Hi, how are you doing? I had a question about, any advice and like titling.

00:37:55:03 - 00:38:25:08
Unknown
Okay. Good point. Yeah. Name, job title or the job that you're looking for. And then, I would say like, available immediately in central London as long as it's clear. Oh, and file names don't attach. Final CV 2020. You know, all and files he got in your. I used to be that final. Final? Definitely final. I hate this fucking print.

00:38:25:10 - 00:38:41:14
Unknown
Sorry. That's why, you know, like, the file name and the email. So. Steve. Andrew, part one, architectural assistant, CV, something like that. Because if they save them, right, you always get to think people are time poor. And they go always that file again was a guy's name. He was like a Welsh bloke. I think it was Stuart.

00:38:41:14 - 00:39:09:22
Unknown
Steve, I don't know. And then they'd go, oh yeah, Steve, that's it. If it's just interior design CV, you will not get found. And then you've forgotten off to the next. You got to make it like idiot proof because you got idiots like me and he'll tell you, but never mind. Idiom. Sometimes he's like, oh gosh, I can't say anything right or right there, but you know, and I am busy and my attention span is short.

00:39:10:04 - 00:39:29:05
Unknown
And so you just trying to pass the noise, you're trying to pass the noise. So that's the title. Oh, I'd say you name interior design graduate. I'm available for me. Central London whatever. Oh, visas. I didn't talk about visas. Does anyone feel insecure about visas? Like, oh, I got a visa. I don't know what to do. You probably all have graduate.

00:39:29:05 - 00:39:55:02
Unknown
You'll get a graduate visa. Are you guaranteed international students? Yeah. Right. Okay. You're like, oh my gosh, what do I do. So graduate visas are great because the employer doesn't really have to do anything for two years. So just embrace it. And you know what? When I said in the who what where, when, why now? I'll just say I'm on a graduate visa for two years and I graduate in April, which means you do not need to do anything for the next two years.

00:39:55:04 - 00:40:11:15
Unknown
And then people go, great, forget about it. And then they come to like you, and then they go, oh my God, I'll deal with it. So, you know, you guys, tomorrow's problem. And they go, yeah, that's true. That's tomorrow's problem. Otherwise what happens is because that's something people feel insecure about. And a small interior design company like like me.

00:40:11:15 - 00:40:28:23
Unknown
Right, right. So I have five members of staff and someone says my graduate visas expired. And I need proper sponsorship. I'm like, I don't actually know what to do. I might really like the person, but I don't know what to do or I'll forget about it. But you guys want to have that because you have the two years.

00:40:28:23 - 00:40:46:06
Unknown
Thank you. There you go. Tomorrow's problem. You can hire me for two years to worry about it. And then you go in and prove yourself, and they go, oh, damn, I really like that. I've seen that a million times, million, million, million times. And then how does it work? Do you, do you get your graduate visa like so in architecture?

00:40:46:06 - 00:41:05:14
Unknown
Because. Oh, it's a lot I mean, long course you do. Part one. Part two. Do you guys you get you like your interior design graduation. Oh gosh. Like assembly member you do for years and then you do more and maybe a master's or you can work in the industry from year one. Isn't this that was one of my questions.

00:41:05:14 - 00:41:27:16
Unknown
Like, oh yes, might be thinking about masters and interior architecture. Great. For now you can go into architecture because of the removal of puffball, and they can kind of join the masters architects. Oh, I don't know. They might go to industry, which is probably what I would recommend. Yeah. What's the role for you? I think at least try to get one year the industry like us if you can.

00:41:27:16 - 00:41:45:16
Unknown
You can always go and do your masters and stuff. Of course, I think a masters can be great to do after you've done a little bit of industry experience, like so in architecture, you do three years, then you go into industry for a year. You feel like you don't know anything, you learn a lot. Getting smacked in the face in the office in a nice way, like life boot.

00:41:45:18 - 00:42:10:13
Unknown
You learn really quick and it toughens you up. And so you got like all the amazing skills you got, then you've got the industry. So if you can I would definitely work in the industry. Also, I think alternative careers are amazing and you can do it. But and look I am done architecture for 12 years. Right. But if I didn't do it at the start, would I have been able to build a profitable architecture recruitment industry?

00:42:10:15 - 00:42:32:09
Unknown
Probably not, because like because, you know, you got recruit like a salesperson. Oh, there you go. Oh he's kind of done architectural. Oh. All right. I'll deal with them a little bit. So you understand the lingo. So I think if you can work in an interior design company or whatever, then it's great perspective because you might do it and go, it's not for me, like me, but you still have that experience.

00:42:32:15 - 00:42:51:03
Unknown
Very credible. So but alternative careers are great. I know people, I've done architecture and become programmers. So now how he's doing with AI, the way it's going now a coding. But he's done that for years. I think he was made of like a rock size, like some like Semi Grand when I was on like 30 grand, you know, he's like, yeah, coding all this stuff.

00:42:51:08 - 00:43:14:18
Unknown
But that's because they liked him when he was a programmer because he has like an architectural look at things. I know many business owners which are architects, which do different stuff. I'm always hiring someone in recruitment for architecture and interior design to a clients, so I'm always hiring people who are kind of one to that background, and they're a bit of a chatty person like me.

00:43:14:21 - 00:43:34:20
Unknown
And then when I make a bit of cash, then great recruitment. But it's very hard. It's not glamorous because you bringing people up, you now, you're not designing anymore and you got to be okay with life. You know, some some careers you change into do you want to give up the design? But how would you know? In three domains, I'm okay with not doing a technical drawing anymore.

00:43:34:22 - 00:43:51:21
Unknown
I've done enough of them and I used to mess them up. I so my one of my old one of my old directors of day one, are you a lovely guy? But I never went in my project again. I say, okay, I'll work in this role with anyone. Yeah. Handy though if your team leader is now the managing director, isn't there?

00:43:51:21 - 00:44:12:18
Unknown
You go criticize a guy messed up at work. You build these connections as well in the industry. So what I'm trying to say is, if you can get a job in the industry, I think it's fantastic for you to get your own opinion. And the other thing is to see it down the line. But I remember when my parents were quite supportive, actually, and I was one of them.

00:44:12:19 - 00:44:27:09
Unknown
I'm not going to be an architect anymore. And my dad was an engineer and he was okay. He was like, because he changed his career a bit as well. But you have a lot of people going like, what do you mean? You don't want to be an interior designer when you spend a lot of money? Are you insane?

00:44:27:10 - 00:44:41:01
Unknown
And I've been there. And then you do a few years in recruitment or like for me. And then they start and I was like, I am. And then you start doing well and they go, oh, I always knew you could do it. And you go, you didn't say that at the time. It was the opposite. You went, oh my God, what can you be announcing bigger?

00:44:41:01 - 00:45:01:10
Unknown
Remember, people just want you to be safe and you parents, they don't speak to strangers should be all their parents and they mean really well. But that attitude means that we're not sending out a CV. We're not at the risk of rejection because, you know, the parents just care about you. And you probably a lot of you will be parents one day and you'll be the same.

00:45:01:10 - 00:45:22:18
Unknown
You'll be like, come on, keep everything now. But we got to go against that instinct and be loud and out there and get that experience because you, you're you're that experience. It's handy for where you want to go in a career. My God, oh my God. This interior design studio is the best place ever I love it or you might who hoovering there?

00:45:22:19 - 00:45:56:08
Unknown
Not anymore. But you've done both and you've got an opinion on that. Does that make sense? Goes to the answer yeah, yeah. Does anyone have any other random question. Seed portfolio. Oh I love it. There. We got the questions. I was just wondering about, like, a starting salary. It's hard to know. Again, it's like how long a piece of string, typically a smaller design studio, is going to be less, bigger company might be a little bit more.

00:45:56:10 - 00:46:22:07
Unknown
There's probably some salary surveys online. Take them with a pinch of salt with some, I don't know. I think it's like 30. I don't really know. It can vary. I think the word I would use is look for it a fair salary. I don't think you should be doing internships unpaid. The only time I would ever do them is if I was still looking for a job at the same time, and I would be the most, loyal, unpaid intern possible.

00:46:22:07 - 00:46:36:15
Unknown
And I would do it for a few days and go, hey, I got a job. See you later. What do you mean? There you go. Pay me. I'm off. But I don't mind that a little bit if you savage. Because you buying that quickly to to go. But make sure it's a paid job. Aim for a paid job.

00:46:36:20 - 00:46:59:23
Unknown
And in the in the they probably want ask. And also it's hard to negotiate when you first entry roles because in a larger architecture practice there's a typically a salary for the entry role. It's like a part two, part one I 20 years ago it varied year like it was like 14 grand to 20. And my friend was on 15,000.

00:46:59:23 - 00:47:18:09
Unknown
I was on 20 off, I was rich. I went, I'll pay you to drink this time. 20 K baby, I was like, this round town. Yeah. Top 10 to 20 K. But it's all gone up now, right? So I think the minimum salary is like 25, 26 grand. I think so find out what the minimum is in London.

00:47:18:09 - 00:47:39:15
Unknown
Look at that. But it all varies and you've got to think you're buying experience. So like a bigger company might offer you 3032. Someone might offer you 28, 27. But if it's a smaller interior design studio and it's 2728 and it's the face you want to go, and it's a nice life, you look at the holistic package, then you might want to go for it.

00:47:39:17 - 00:48:01:07
Unknown
So but I think you'll be more informed than the salary when you're getting ready to. Lurking on Glassdoor, you can get salary surveys, you can do all that. And then also helps if you're interviewing and you speak to your colleagues about them because actually, you know, it is worth sharing some information because you can be like, great, well, what salary are you on?

00:48:01:07 - 00:48:17:02
Unknown
You know, sometimes as well as Brits, we go, oh, I can't ask about salary. It's really rude. I'm, I always ask, what salary? What are you on? What are you on? What are you on? I actually don't care, you know, I don't get jealous. You want underground. I'm happy for you for 30. Great. Whatever. But like I, that's how the knowledge isn't there.

00:48:17:02 - 00:48:36:15
Unknown
Like, what is the interior design salary at Perkins and. Well, I don't know, but I'm sure it'll be out there. And you can kind of benchmark in this domain. He's coming today. He used to work that well, let's let's focus on it. What's the best, Franklin? But, yeah. Perkins. Always thinking about. Yeah, they always do.

00:48:36:15 - 00:48:54:19
Unknown
It's a great company. Yeah. You know, catch him down the pub or wherever and say nicely, don't go. I missed you, Peg. Oh, my God, you're going to give me a minute? You're now you gotta you gotta pull me up. And I got this and the thing of applying is they want to give me a bit more insight and was like to work there and a few other things, you know, you can get it out, but warm people up.

00:48:54:22 - 00:49:10:17
Unknown
You and I, some are like in an interview they go, what are you looking for? You got a fair salary that can live on in London, and then you run into a mega Jedi mind trick, but don't panic like it's advanced level. I never used to do it for you. Then. Then you fall back to them. You go.

00:49:10:19 - 00:49:29:22
Unknown
No, I'm. I'm really open to a salary. Is there a salary you have in mind? Whoa. Done. But like I say that like I. And then you get nervous and then you go, right? I remember where he said, don't worry, but just keep a conversation. I'm. I'm open minded. To what? Everything's fine. Just because they get a job offer doesn't mean you have to take him.

00:49:30:00 - 00:49:56:20
Unknown
Yeah, everything is though. Just be neutral about it. Because, like, yeah, you could gamble on getting 1,000 pound elsewhere, but it's that process takes another month. Well, actually you're saving, were 2 to 3000 pounds by just jumping in straight away, if you like the company. And also you remember as you go and you get better, hopefully a good employer will recognize that and then they will continue that conversation about salary renumeration.

00:49:56:22 - 00:50:15:22
Unknown
Now there's an art form to that. And because this one's working for me as well. So I've got to be careful what I say. But really, when you ask for a salary increase then take notes. I will be looking for more responsibility in line. The salary you remember when you're new people are kind of helping you a bit.

00:50:15:22 - 00:50:35:12
Unknown
So you've got all the skills, but you've never done them, so you've got this raw ability. But then over time you start learning and you get that you had to value. So salary should go up and you can have a conversation. But like the movies, like I want to do this or I'm going to go, it's more of a two way thing.

00:50:35:12 - 00:50:54:12
Unknown
You go like this and I've done that. I really appreciate everything I've done. What were the salary increase of 2000 look like? What do I need to do for Am? How can I do it. And they go, okay, I, we want you to do this more autonomously. This, this, this, this, this. And then we'll give you that. So it will come down the line.

00:50:54:16 - 00:51:17:04
Unknown
But again it's a bit like with the with the visas, everything. Once they get to know you, you're more likely be able to leverage down. You know, once you people find you really valued, then they're more likely to do it because they just met you for two seconds. You go, oh, I want five grand more. They might go, yeah, they might go, okay, we got someone else going.

00:51:17:05 - 00:51:34:10
Unknown
You say later, but it's again, it's a human thing like earlier. Do it, do this, do I do that or should I put the see, there's no right way, the right way. So just navigate in the space. And the more you do it, the better you feel. So anyone got any other questions. So if I might got too much time yeah I'm going to.

00:51:34:10 - 00:51:44:05
Unknown
Yeah I'm I get you. We got last time. Yeah. So many questions. So what's your opinion on.

00:51:44:07 - 00:52:09:02
Unknown
Opportunities like that. Yeah I think it's great if you want to do it. You know. And because in some year because I mean I was kind of slagging off but you know I went like oh technical drawings this. But you might be the opposite because people love that kind of stuff. And actually how it and all this interior design skills and then doing something more architecture ask it's really powerful kind of got the that and the it's like really really powerful.

00:52:09:04 - 00:52:31:13
Unknown
So I recommend them. I think it's great to explore, graduate schemes are fantastic. Like sometimes you have these like main contractors and all this stuff, like because you can do interior design, which is quote unquote less glamorous, but you could do like interior design for like loads of schools. Okay. It's not as bougie as a project in Chelsea, but it's boujee for some of the schools.

00:52:31:13 - 00:52:47:12
Unknown
I used to be in this sort of refurb as well. And you want that nice before with that now. But what I'm trying to say is you can add a lot of value in there. And those graduate schemes, the bigger companies will do that and support you and they will help you for your career. And I think they pay well and support you.

00:52:47:16 - 00:53:05:20
Unknown
So I think it's a really great show. I think maybe when you start looking you could do a fee with that. You could do that through the other classes. Attention. Now it's all gone wrong. Isn't him? Does that help though? What else? So you think it more the tricks you like the architecture kind of world is in, architecture.

00:53:05:22 - 00:53:31:05
Unknown
I thought that was certainly like any sort of grand scheme program. Yeah. Or to get paid very well. So I think so. Yes. Yeah. They, they do that in architecture, the architecture apprentice scheme. But it's under a lot of pressure sometimes the government's defunded it. So larger companies do it because they're making millions and they see it as a good thing.

00:53:31:07 - 00:53:50:09
Unknown
So, I was speaking to my friend who has a graduate scheme in Ireland, and he's works the design for the whole education. That's why I mentioned them. And he finds it really valuable. And they pay really well. I had a pint with them and we had a few drinks, but I remember thinking it was a crazy amount.

00:53:50:11 - 00:54:15:10
Unknown
If it was euros, he was like, oh yeah, the stars at €60,000. I thought, what? Are you joking? Sign me up. I'm going to go like, you know, but yeah, do look around. You raise your handle. It was a question. Yeah. Is there anything that someone could do during an interview and you would go immediately? No. I mean, I, I think this could be, like, rude, you know?

00:54:15:10 - 00:54:35:10
Unknown
I mean, like, I'll just, like, lay off roots or like, I mean, like, really like, I mean, it's like an hour, minute or two can happen, but just make your life easier to find the goal. Yeah. Go for a coffee, run the block. Because the the really when you're late, it's less of a bother. For me, it's a bit, but let's see what happens.

00:54:35:10 - 00:54:53:02
Unknown
But if that's the kind of thing you can really fluster yourself on and then you throw yourself off, you know, you're kind of off for the whole day in your head. You're like, I'm shit, I'm late. I'm never going to get this job. But, you said it's insane. Those would be insane. Those would be probably really rude.

00:54:53:04 - 00:55:12:20
Unknown
Oh, the other thing is, it's happened very rare. But I had 1I2, two times, actually, in my career, an architect turned up to an interview in an occupation practice without the CV and portfolio. And then and there was like a 20 minute interview and I rang the director. He went, now that I can go out because you need to bring the ad this the conversation piece, you know.

00:55:12:22 - 00:55:30:20
Unknown
But I didn't think to say, yeah, that's what I said to him. I was sorry. I've never asked an architect to bring a CV import finance. So for the fact that that wasn't brought meant that the conversation was a lot quicker because it was like, well, you know, we're here, but where's your portfolio? And then it was like, okay, we'll, we'll, we'll be in touch.

00:55:31:01 - 00:55:50:03
Unknown
So that was the quick guess. And then then the other one I figured is I think dressed to impress. But can I have a look at the website. And it is worth investing in some nice clothes. I mean you look all look really nicely dressed but like let's say like you look on the website, you mentioned the graduate schemes and maybe if they're a bit more corporate, you go, I'll go down that road.

00:55:50:05 - 00:56:10:03
Unknown
If they're designing, you still look really nice. But like smart casual because I had them. Classic thing. My friend in the uni here was like, his dad was an architect and he knew better than me and all this stuff. And he went, no, no, not architects wear jeans. I'm going to go wear jeans. In the interview. And I went, I think you'd look really nice in an essay.

00:56:10:08 - 00:56:27:16
Unknown
And he went, oh, I know what I'm doing. So you went in with the jeans and all this stuff, and then that went, and he was a nice guy, but, you know, and you were just saying like that. And I went, hey, May, as you interview go. And he went, it went terrible. And I went, why? And then he went the jeans and I went off the jeans.

00:56:27:16 - 00:56:48:08
Unknown
Are you joking? Because I'm quite joking. And he went, nah, I know what happened. And and he went in the interview and the person went jeans. Didn't want to dress up for me. They're not good enough. And then he came and said, I wouldn't even know what to say to that. You know, my holy moly, we're in for a rough ride here.

00:56:48:08 - 00:57:08:14
Unknown
You know, I've got no script for that one. I see you later. Forgotten. But, you know, I mean, it's like most people might not care, but that one person was like, you don't want to dress up for me. And what? You just don't want that. So, like the way I said, like, just make your life easier. You go early, you dress like a lot of you look really great now.

00:57:08:14 - 00:57:34:00
Unknown
And it's blooming early on the thing. But, you know, you just look on the website and kind of mimic, you know, so you got the person, just do them basically a little bit of common sense, you know, and mirroring people. It's like really strange. Like people used to dress a bit like the company. They go. So I feel like they're saying it's that's weird psychology, you know, and how people talk and speak in their language.

00:57:34:01 - 00:58:05:08
Unknown
The quieter they have. Just feel like you work out long and really it's because you've looked at their website, you've tailored things, little bits. You dress the right way, you speak yourself. You're friendly. Really nice person, you know that said, I won't go to technical, but we buy with facts and then emotions like iPhone. It's got all the stuff, but there's an emote is singing.

00:58:05:08 - 00:58:23:00
Unknown
There you go. I get an iPhone. They're great. So it's like rapport. No one's. Who's buying the bought a roller. You know, it's like, yes, you can do the job, but you build that rapport and you're all really friendly like you guys about. It's like it's lots of really cool personalities and you're, you're all great, like bit of that color with the goods.

00:58:23:01 - 00:58:49:05
Unknown
Be yourself. It goes a long way, you know. And that's the thing that maybe the last thing like on that is, we all do ourselves, you know, we all go out in a saboteur and alarm and like government, you are really good. It's really hard to do a degree in architecture, interior design. It's really hard. And also last thing on that, like, of course to the best grade you can come on work, work, work.

00:58:49:07 - 00:59:12:02
Unknown
But I have friends that work in some of the largest architecture practices and great directors, and they got a lower grade than me, and they don't grow fantastic in the industry. Both seen it the other way. Well, I got really high grade and I'm not bloody doing it now, am I? It was hard though to one in year I can get first they going up for the first.

00:59:12:04 - 00:59:33:18
Unknown
If people are too intelligent, how the heck do you get first in this first two, one, two, two, even the third doesn't matter. Don't let it get to your head. It's great. Does it matter? Sometimes people don't even look at the grades. They go, oh yeah, you look great. Where Westminster go, great personality. They even look at the grades you now once quick.

00:59:33:18 - 00:59:49:20
Unknown
Many funny story. This is how hilarious it is. There was this architect, where I used to work, and this was a top 30 company, and he was working there for two months, and then he got sacked on the spot, and I know, oh, my God, what happened to Weird Banana Guy? Because he had the weird thing with banana.

00:59:49:20 - 01:00:09:08
Unknown
It was Rhys. We had, but even worse, weird banana guy go. And they were. We found out he wasn't even an architect. And they're funny, you know, like I've. Have you ever been asked you degrees? I've never. I've never had so much. Yeah. In a weird. So like don't worry about grades. Don't worry. But that's why like, you know, is like graduate visa.

01:00:09:08 - 01:00:35:11
Unknown
Bring it up. Put your grades on that. I guarantee no one's going. Oh. How many? Benchmark is two. One. Next. No. They look at your CV and your your portfolio and they get a flavor of you. Anyone got any other things that are nagging them? We go, oh, come on, I'm easy. Yeah. Come on. Thinking about the back of, sort of half an idea of Andrea's question.

01:00:35:16 - 01:00:57:09
Unknown
Yeah, part time work and yeah, this were things like that. I've always worked part time in Oxford, so I started teaching. So I don't know how you do it, but. Well done. Really useful. Yeah. Sometimes firms, they might not want to hire you on a full salary. Yeah. You just have these two days where you can pay, you know, 2/5 of the wage.

01:00:57:10 - 01:01:13:12
Unknown
It's not bad, isn't it? Let's do everything you need. If you can survive on that, fine. But, like, you kind of need the two sides of the coin to make it work. But then, in fact, I would be tempted to look for a full time. But maybe, you know, if you take a part time job while you're going, it's kind of okay.

01:01:13:14 - 01:01:34:17
Unknown
I think if you can't stand that, why then you have choice. And I wouldn't discredit anything. Yeah. I think it's just harder when the entry salary is probably going to be close to the 30, isn't that? Yeah. Yeah. Because I suppose you mentioned in house, like, they'll do quite well. Yeah, yeah. There are a few, some nice studios there, but I found it really.

01:01:34:21 - 01:01:54:02
Unknown
And you said like a percent of the jobs in advertising. Yes. Probably. Right. So they must've known places. They didn't get that. Yeah. That's that's crazy. Yeah. Well, down the line, people come to you of opportunities. Or like, for instance, now you're in the universe. You get to know people and things start coming to you. But right now you're flat.

01:01:54:02 - 01:02:17:13
Unknown
So you got the advantage of going out there by would be considering everything in turn part to full time. Aim for the full time, especially if you need that salary. But you know, look at things along the way. Unpaid internships kind of sucks, but I wouldn't mind doing it for a week while I'm currently looking for a job at the same time, and I'd be updating my CV straight away going, oh, I've got an internship here.

01:02:17:13 - 01:02:43:19
Unknown
And then you go, great, that's what I bought. And I'm looking because no loyalty to them. Does that make sense? So consider everything. Hey, I feel like I'm in six months unpaid as well. Now I think what I would do is I would. The only time I would do that is I'd be really no. And do it for maybe a week or two while I look for a full time job.

01:02:43:21 - 01:03:04:22
Unknown
What is there going to be? No. You can be no. What? You do not even know if you're not getting paid, isn't that but like. But if I'm at the only time I like it. So if you can use it for your search to be better, then you should do it. But most companies won't do that, and it's a shame that that does have button, and that kind of indicates the kind of the company culture.

01:03:04:22 - 01:03:24:04
Unknown
So for me, I've got five members of staff. I would never get someone on unpaid. And the reason is how can I have my boss the other? It's the poor choice of word, but how can I expect something if I'm not paying them? It's it's bit of a pay, how can I? I want a certain level of quality.

01:03:24:06 - 01:03:42:15
Unknown
Let's say I haven't got a salary, you know, I mean, it's a joke, isn't that? It's kind of like, well, if I'm going, hey, what are you doing relative? And you're like, dude, I'm. I'm like, getting on a bloody bus. You to come to your office to get it done. So I don't, I don't think it's good business practice.

01:03:42:17 - 01:04:05:00
Unknown
But if you're going to do it while you're looking for a job, then that'd be okay. But it would be the lowest part of my list, and they would be in transit. You definitely can get a paid job. Yeah, like E you should be. The goal should be getting a pay job. And that should be like, oh, should I just flirt with the idea or a good practice for an interview?

01:04:05:02 - 01:04:23:13
Unknown
You might even go there, get the internship and go, sorry, I'm I've just accepted the paid job. Whoa. You know, I look at this, I told them and but it's good practice for an interview. Find them for about that. So now. Because use them for an interview. Good. Sorry to know. Salaries. You might interview that and go I don't want to work that.

01:04:23:13 - 01:04:45:15
Unknown
You go. Thank you so much for the interview with I you know, I mean like we always think it's really one sided. But the interview was just as much for you as it is for them and for page your worth. They call that the pay and all this stuff. The world's going round. It's not actually get the money, you know and you are worth and that makes sense.

01:04:45:15 - 01:05:10:14
Unknown
Then you got any other random questions? Hey, in the back. How are you doing? Toothpaste. And they ask you, how much do the grades? Actually, I don't think, you can put it next to university like you could say. So like University of Westminster graduate 2026. You know, I was cheeky. I did my CV before I even got the grade.

01:05:10:14 - 01:05:27:05
Unknown
I went estimated to one estimate. It's bad now about you know, you gotta be careful with that though. You've got to get your estimates right. But, because there's no real way. But then by the time I finished, I was like, oh, so then no one's ever asked me about my grades. No one's ever asked me about the grades.

01:05:27:05 - 01:05:43:03
Unknown
I think you could even not put it in. And then if they ask, you, go. But I kind of lost like the lean entrance, you know, unless you really worry and you, like, just about pass. And in your head you're like, oh my God, and you cannot do over. Other than that, it's fine. Put it in two one.

01:05:43:05 - 01:06:03:16
Unknown
We probably on that point, you probably don't need to say the grades. You got like a million years ago. Like I don't think like, you know, when you GCSEs, it's kind of dead now. You could put your A-levels in, but really it doesn't matter that much because you've done it. The point is you're here. Doesn't matter what. Walk a life you're in, you're here.

01:06:03:18 - 01:06:35:12
Unknown
That makes sense. Any other random questions? Oh my gosh, now they're all coming out I'm going to do one in the background. Come back here. Come up straight. Question designs from sketch. Yes. Breadcrumbs. Random sketch. Yeah. Design. Good question. I think they can be nice at the end. You know they can be really nice at the end like you do your, I think you need your interior design work here, but you can do a really nice sketch at the end.

01:06:35:14 - 01:07:01:23
Unknown
Sketch is a subjective though, like, do you if it's a nice sketch, I mean, it probably is. But you know, I've seen some rough, rough, rough sketches and then recruitment. I go delete that page. But it's it's really subjective. It's really subjective. Yeah. The people say your sketch is really good. Yeah. I'll be on the school. I mean, yeah, probably.

01:07:01:23 - 01:07:13:03
Unknown
Ryan. Yeah. It's just weird one where they're so subjective. So it's, you put a picture on your CV and for yourself. I don't think you need to. I think I think people read.

01:07:13:05 - 01:07:32:02
Unknown
I think yes, but, like, it's a little note at the end, like I like photography or thing and say I like that. But it's like it's a really nice way to end the portfolio, not at the front. You want the architecture work. And then at the end you go, wow, cool sketch. But it's true. I've seen people get jobs over and they got amazing painting.

01:07:32:04 - 01:07:47:22
Unknown
There's this lady called Gosha. I never forget her name because she does amazing paintings. And at the end, the company hired her because they was just like, I mean, have you seen that painting? It's insane. But she had to have all the other stuff as well. She had this than that and then the paint and then then that was a good point.

01:07:48:04 - 01:08:11:03
Unknown
It's a bit like the point I mentioned earlier about hobbies and skills. You like sketching or drawing and that's really good as well. But yeah, it's true. I know design director who did airports and he hired someone before, because they did like a, Blade Runner. Painting. And he went, is that Blade Runner? And they went, the guy went, yeah, my true story went, yeah, it's my favorite film.

01:08:11:03 - 01:08:27:07
Unknown
And they went, all right, you hired. As long as you just don't mess up the next half an hour and then you ran. I think I got the job anyway. Yeah, I'm hiring them. And it was. It's that weird thing, isn't it? It's conversation, of course. Is the guy kind of slumped it in the soap and I said, I said, a word isn't in front.

01:08:27:07 - 01:08:41:17
Unknown
I mean, you know, if you said something outrageous, we're not going to have it. But he was kind of like, this is so impressive. And I've seen everyone else and kind of off the job. That's quite nice. That was a sketch for the end. So I kind of talked myself back into I went, I'm not sure what made me.

01:08:41:17 - 01:09:01:04
Unknown
And then I went, actually, it's really good, but it's an n no. It's like a little like a little cherry on top, chef's kiss kind of thing. I think about things different. Just carve out, you know, some sketches I've done and put your contact details and then but do all the other stuff. Yeah. Don't just send a bunch of sketches and go, oh my God thing.

01:09:01:04 - 01:09:27:09
Unknown
What going to do this? I need to see the interior design goods I question. Yeah, move very quickly. Go on. Would you love controversy lying on your skin to really get something I wouldn't, I wouldn't nah, it catches up with you I think I think like the, the yeah. The short answer is no. I think if, if in doubt leave it out.

01:09:27:09 - 01:09:47:10
Unknown
So if like, like if you had a food you really conscious about it. If you put a face in the bottle like that to know and, and I think you'd be really sketchy because like if I'm an employer and we're not getting on and I find that you lied, I can actually get you dismissed really quickly so I can really screw you over.

01:09:47:12 - 01:10:09:00
Unknown
If I go find out the gray is not there. Okay, we're going to go into the meeting, and this is gross misconduct. So it's really not a good idea. But leaving things out, it's leaving things out. I went to the University of Westminster post. I did interior design. Great that they ask you go. I got referred the matter right.

01:10:09:02 - 01:10:28:07
Unknown
But if in doubt, leave it out. No lie in. I'm on to you. But no cheeky crisis should leave out. You know it's like that thing though sometimes we say stupid shit, then we definitely, er. You know, you go like that, I just insert something. I mean, we're human. Don't be. So, you know, sometimes you have an interview.

01:10:28:07 - 01:10:52:12
Unknown
Go. Why did I say that? Doesn't matter too much. But yeah. Leave out online believe out. Hey, you know how many places you went? Vivienne? Yeah. See can be one. Could be ten. I kept the blurring. Didn't live. Oh, I'm interviewing ten places. All right, I don't know. Does that make sense? Give me a I have a controversial one I love it.

01:10:52:14 - 01:11:11:06
Unknown
That was like. That was a good question because he's ten. Ten isn't that. It's like Joey and friends like, you know. Oh, yeah, I know try to play the piano and sing. And then he couldn't do shit and he ran out like, that's what happens when you, you life catches up with you. Oh, I have done one thing though, and this is a lesson.

01:11:11:08 - 01:11:33:00
Unknown
So in the other end, the reason I got my job in the end was because I put my cross station on my CV and I said advanced vector X advanced. So I had I said beginner to intermediate micro station. Now I will do that three times.

01:11:33:02 - 01:11:50:07
Unknown
And so that was stretching the truth. I said like I've used it a few times, did my quiet thing. I didn't say more, you know, and I used it a few times, which was true. And then you go, great. Oh, we've been looking for people mixers you hired. Then they hired me and they put me in a micro station training anyways.

01:11:50:10 - 01:12:07:00
Unknown
But you kind of know it because you got all the other software. But if I didn't put it on, I wouldn't have got there. And if I was, if I said, oh, I probably used it for under three hours. Is that good enough for me? I got oh no, not really. But I said, yeah, I've used it a few times, so that's as far as I go.

01:12:07:04 - 01:12:35:10
Unknown
But I had loaded it off, but I can't pretend I did my whole project on that, but I did my whole project on AutoCAD. So it's I come on potato, potato. So of that's as far as you can go. I think that makes I be okay with that. And it's better to include even a little bit of the truth and then just keep it right, because some of the people scan it like they literally circle my CV on my micro station and that mental.

01:12:35:12 - 01:12:53:07
Unknown
And then it didn't even come up in the interview apart from that one sentence. The rest of it was everything else. But if they didn't put that one word and it wouldn't have made it to the pile, great. Do you know what I mean? Yes, I know, so you're not really expected to know everything, Mega, but it does help.

01:12:53:07 - 01:13:13:05
Unknown
You've open up InDesign. You know what the heck it is for? It is important you know it, but you're not expected to be the guru. And all these things praise. Good you're away because you're graduates. Give yourself a little break. Yeah, sorry. You reach the end, of course, but then kind of just go on to other. Anyway. So my A-levels are you sketch on.

01:13:13:07 - 01:13:33:21
Unknown
Yeah. And it's going to it's I haven't used it since they did. Oh yeah. Whack it on I hate SketchUp but whack it on because it's free. The software isn't it. So kind of implies if you know SketchUp you can do something else. Maybe you get one of the bougie ones vs one of the bougie ones was the bougie one 3DS Max that's still around, but that's a bougie one.

01:13:34:00 - 01:13:55:11
Unknown
It's hard though, in a it's boujee and frustrating. What other ones are that like? I think sketch are fine, like thinking where's the main software, the interior design? Is there any kind of collages and style? Oh, can I ask you guys a question? Do you, do you use AI a lot these days? I don't mind yeah I but that's just.

01:13:55:12 - 01:14:20:04
Unknown
Yeah, yeah. Generative designs. Interesting. Isn't that like it's like can you do it. How much can you do it? But like kind of need to learn the skills isn't there. But what's the main softwares. Photoshop really the main collages, bit of cards. You bring it in and you make it beautiful. Yeah. That's kind of you. It's more about the feeling and emotion and context and that sense of things and place.

01:14:20:08 - 01:14:37:14
Unknown
I think interiors is like a lot of 3D renderings. Yeah. And then you make it beautiful and you draw, you sketch and you kind of. Yeah, yeah. Perfect. Is it put it this way. If you kind of illustrated that process in a portfolio that's really good. Like so you go like, oh, I got the sketch app and it looks a bit crap.

01:14:37:14 - 01:14:56:01
Unknown
So but I modeled it in that and then I made it beautiful. That's a really good talking point in an interview because you explain that process. So I would do that. But you know what I mean. If you kind of left there with that ugly sketch, I don't know, as a look, doesn't it sketch up you like, cause you're designers.

01:14:56:01 - 01:15:20:23
Unknown
Yeah, yeah. But you use it, then draw over and do all that stuff. So I think it's been a while. Any other random questions? I suppose, I suppose. Yeah. Go on one for the house. Sort of like thinking about having multiple cities. Yes. Not tailored to us, but kind of like because the interior architecture. Oh, we can't have them.

01:15:20:23 - 01:15:42:17
Unknown
And it's kind of like, you know, with some. Yeah. Wants to start with floorplans. And so they can really do I get what I mean. Sometimes they want to do more renders. Yeah, I think that's okay. But maybe we think of it like it's 80% the same. But you're doing an architecture esque vision and then maybe you would bring some more of your technical stuff to the foreground.

01:15:42:20 - 01:16:04:02
Unknown
I like that. My only caveat with that is the moment the job search gets hard. I've seen a lot of people do this. They go less than that. Oh, I was sending one every 20 minutes, but that I wanted to rework. That's, that drawing I've done. So I'm just going to do that for 2 or 3 weeks, save.

01:16:04:03 - 01:16:29:09
Unknown
Then I'm back in the search, I promise. So distracting you. So. So what I would do is I would do one version and then maybe I would add a few more architectural ones. But that's a great idea. And then you have a folder and you go like mainstream interior design and you go architectural with interiors. And then you could go like a complete wild card, you know, and I but I like that it say, now you saw like this amazing cool one you want to tailor you like, screw it, I've done my numbers today.

01:16:29:09 - 01:16:47:21
Unknown
Steve won't be shouting at me. I'm going to really tailor it. I'm quite happy with that. But be smart with it. So like you make a folder go in the architecture version, the interior version, and you do that so that you're not to customize everything because the moment you customize things, I just worry about your time and you have to precious your time.

01:16:47:23 - 01:17:15:07
Unknown
And this you want to, when you start customizing things, volume goes down and it is a numbers game when you haven't got your in your networks. And yet in the future you might only apply the ten places because you're like a hardcore cool interior designer. You've done that, you know, and you start to specialize and you're like, I'm a hotel interior designer, and people come to you, you know, like the Hilton will go like, hey, you meet people, opportunities come to you, but you don't have that yet because you start now.

01:17:15:09 - 01:17:43:02
Unknown
No one does. But that's cool. So they got have volume at the start. So that make sense. Very good. Any last question? One for the road. Are we done? I've got. Come on. There's always one isn't there. That Jeff. We always found was that. Oh, yeah. So, I was thinking about if the works I was going to put myself in your mindset, I think.

01:17:43:03 - 01:18:08:02
Unknown
Yeah. To, like, like, find jobs through other ways and obviously talk to people. Yeah. Like a Westminster. That stuff there across the whole university. Someone. There's someone everywhere that. Yeah, it shocks me. But like, you know, I meet people and they know and I know you've been here before and it's such a small world. Yeah, yeah. So the the lying thing people talk about, it's like everyone knows who who is good and you got a reputation.

01:18:08:02 - 01:18:25:13
Unknown
You're not like, there's a naughty one. You, I guess, excellent student. Hey, we're going to be watching out and all that work now too, in your references. Now and then. I'm joking. Which is I'm sort of getting to my question slowly, but then it's I also like if you've had, like a tutor in the past, me maybe it didn't get all you didn't have a good grade.

01:18:25:13 - 01:18:44:12
Unknown
It's not personal. I just go, no, and it's fine. They're all just adults. And, you know, your students, they're my employees. It's like, yes, but then another thing, like talking to maybe, like, fabricators in the industry might be a good way to, sort of circumvent and then think of those things. But yeah, I like this.

01:18:44:12 - 01:19:01:12
Unknown
We build on that as a concept. So you exhaust the existing university? Yeah. You go to the pub and go, come on, you're like my portfolio, which, you know, you do that, then. Yeah. You go on the job boards because they there. But remember they're going to get a lot of eyeballs. They then you go in the Google search stuff.

01:19:01:17 - 01:19:27:11
Unknown
LinkedIn is actually getting a lot better for jobs. I really do recommend doing a LinkedIn profile I'm on now. What I'm going to add is don't waste your time with recruiters because at the start of your career, I know I am one, but like, for example, have a record go. They don't need me for grads because they get lots of very good grads, but they need me to find you in 20 or 30 years time when you're all hard to get.

01:19:27:17 - 01:19:52:06
Unknown
That's where I get paid for. But recruiters don't say that. They kind of go, oh yeah, you will keep you on file, and then you bring up wasting your time, be your own recruiter. And that's why I say get that Excel list, go on Google, do all this stuff. But I like that. I think you just you exhaust your existing network, which is the uni you do that you keep around, you talk to people, you go to any interior design events, you go, you meet people.

01:19:52:06 - 01:20:09:05
Unknown
It's good for your confidence. You will feel nervous. I used to hate walking into a room. Gets easier, you know, future like, yeah, I know, yeah. You know, it's horrible in that you're like, oh my God, what am I going to say? Like it's horrible, but you kind of do it and then you know what you get?

01:20:09:05 - 01:20:26:08
Unknown
It gets easier and then you get in the industry and then you might meet someone and they go, oh, I'm actually looking. You go, I'm like, I really wish I said that too. But it's cool. That's part of the process. And then you just go on Google and you send it to any website which does have a job or doesn't have a job.

01:20:26:10 - 01:20:45:03
Unknown
It's just kind of like what, you know. And then that's the hardcore I, I guarantee you, if you do about 4 or 500 companies sounds a lot. But if you do in like 30, 40 a week, you know, it's the process of maximum two months and you've done all of London, you will get a job. You just will.

01:20:45:05 - 01:21:07:12
Unknown
That's all. Like in my coaching sessions. Last thing, I got a rant. I do this, I say that, and then I've got the atomic option because in the RBA you have this like horrible, ugly 500 page PDF. It's got loads of ads for the first hundred pages, and then you get like a patron in 15 and it's got a list of a this ad and I go, that's the nuclear option.

01:21:07:18 - 01:21:23:08
Unknown
And when we feel like we exhausted, then I say the nuclear option. And then sometimes I get, my coach says, just write back to me, you like a diary? And I go, I'm going to go the nuclear option. And usually around the letter J, okay, they get a job, they go, I hate the day. It was horrible.

01:21:23:08 - 01:21:38:10
Unknown
I hate you, but I go job and I go, all right, there you go. Because you just it's to stop processing. You get to Z, z, c, a, D and you're like, Steve. So but you because you go in through it and it's just probabilities on your side that makes sense.

01:21:38:16 - 01:21:59:15
Unknown
Anything else? Thank you so much. You will all be. You will all get them and you will do em. And you. The future looks quite bright looking good songs. We don't lie on the CV. Apart from that, I stopped you. Now I got my eye on you like a year ago now. But honestly, the fact and also the last, last thing.

01:21:59:15 - 01:22:15:13
Unknown
The fact that you guys are here in the 9:00 and you are here says a lot. And if you had to listen to this old mag talk about stuff, then you put that attitude in the job search and and you lie. You'll go really far. But thanks, guys. Was that useful? Thank you. Yeah. Fares.