Neil Pinder and GLAM GOES GLOBAL!

GLAM GOES GLOBAL 2021 with Neil Pinder on the Architecture Social Show
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Music: [00:00:00] Welcome.

Neil Pinder: This is the fashion show.

Music: Get ready for the catalog feeling

Stephen Drew: well. Are

Music: you aware in September with product?

Neil Pinder: Absolutely

Stephen Drew: me too. Gucci Bracks. T-shirt on

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Neil Pinder: 2,

Music: 1.

Oh, hello everyone. Welcome

Stephen Drew: to the kickoff of the Architecture Social show we have returned. So let's just imagine we have an amazing start to the season here. We have the fantastic new pen and he's going to talk about what glam. It is and how it's going to go global. But before that Nealon, before you introduced that we have got the fantastic video, [00:01:00] which you have sent to us so well, should we play the video?

Absolutely. I'm excited to see what it is. Okay. Everyone let's enjoy this video and then we'll all have a chat. Let's get it going.

Music: my name is Neil .

Neil Pinder: I'm a product design and architecture teacher at bravely schools, south London. And I'm passionate about half attention.

I'm going to use my

Music: own dice.

This is my son. That's where I live and what I like and what I do is what I love about you.[00:02:00]

There's a

Neil Pinder: risk that diversity becomes a box ticking exercise. It's about inclusiveness for its own

Music: sake, my son, and what I like and what I do is what I love. How about you?[00:03:00]

Neil Pinder: We're seeing this terrified, collapsed at the moment in creative education, particularly in state secondary school, we've seen for example, at 57. And the number of sixteen-year-olds design

and

Stephen Drew: technology

Neil Pinder: GCSE, the society will be diminished if we're only recruiting people from the top tier, from the elite of our education system,

Music: into the creative industry.

Yeah.

Neil Pinder: What we need to do is set some new accountability, man. That includes a broader range of success [00:04:00] criteria. So being successful in drama or music or art would not be seen as a lesser achievement of being successful in history or French or.

Music: my son.

And what I do is what I love. [00:05:00] How about you?

I think it's

Neil Pinder: quite important for people like me who are working as architects, as planners in positions of influence to be more proactive in reaching out to people who don't think that they can study architecture, baby study. That's really important that we are role models so that there aren't more people like us during this

Music: profession.

Neil Pinder: What we want to do is work around the country to draw out that creativity. So many communities.[00:06:00]

Stephen Drew: Oh. Oh amazing. Oh, I'm taking the limelight here. I'm feeling inspired. No, we can't really top that super, super high energy nail. I loved that. That was amazing. So you are the brains behind this. Fantastic. Graham goes go well, but this is for everyone. That's what I loved in the video is seeing everyone getting involved.

Tell us a little bit about yourself, but more importantly, what inspired you to get this? Get ground goes global. [00:07:00] Go.

Neil Pinder: They say they I started off working with young people in schools, teaching, and then I'll go and seized into architecture. I went to art school to begin with, so I wanted to be a sculpture to begin with.

And then it just progressed. I was working in youth center. And then I'll call it work and in school, up in the DJ. And that's why I said at the end of that Daniel King be a DJ because when you become a DJ, you can talk to anyone, anytime, any place, it doesn't matter. You could break down so many barriers and the barriers are broken down by the music, that connected music that you play.

So I love architecture. I've always loved architecture, but when I. Nobody ever told me about architecture. I had an inspirational art teacher who basically said, why don't you go to art school? And so that opened up a whole new avenue to me, my friends and people lightening when I went to art school because as I say to people that I was in my Yale [00:08:00] was the only black guy in art school.

And so from then on I just started being even more creative DJ and running. At et cetera. And then it fast forward, I got introduced to London open house or London open city. And that was the beginning where I was working with young people, architects, and helping them to be inspired them to get into architecture from non traditional and traditional backgrounds.

So that is how that, that, that sort of situation grew. And from there. So snowballed until I had 1, 2, 3 people who I was teaching, who went into architecture, became architects. Some become, some are still now, even today. Some of those are in that pot, one pot twos, some of fully fledged architects.

So that's how the family of home growing plus originally.

Stephen Drew: I love that. Amazing. Can you imagine that? So me and you cause you basically teach [00:09:00] architecture as well in college and you're true. I never saw that before, when I was in college. It wasn't something that was even on the curriculum. And I think that's amazing because I remember at the time.

And you laugh. I had a career advisor and this was old school one time. And I studied at the time geography and I had design technology and I had graphic design and something else, it computers. And so I went to the career advisors and that Simon, who is a nice guy, but he was like, yeah, you need English and you need master become Architecture.

Don't think you can do it. I'm going to show you. And then in the end, I was like, I did it. And we can all do it. Everyone. Architecture is open to everyone. Anyone in any background can study architecture and it is amazing. Isn't it? The skills that you learn and the stuff that you can do is amazing.

So I think it's super good that you're inspiring people at this level. Partly, I would respect to that. I want to test out my sound new [00:10:00] sound board as well. So I've got like a virtual audience noise here. So

it's a bit too excited that isn't there, but it's definitely a good thing. So we'll get a few more sounds. But when you were in college, were you offered anything Architecture? No. No.

Neil Pinder: I was thinking, cause before this before we came on life, I was having a think and I was going throughout my entire education and not once stared.

Did I see it ever a possibility of architecture, for example? I'm, I'll be honest. I wasn't particularly artsy anyways, so it probably wouldn't have come up. To resolve. And my brother who is a lot more artsy, a lot more design focused, again, nothing we weren't encouraged to go into any particular direction with guys to Architecture.

It was something that just was never talked about. And consequently, I don't think, I don't know anyone from, my background that are architects at the moment, and I think it's all about sort about the environment that you surround yourself and it's about who your teachers [00:11:00] are. Where do they push you in?

And I think, some, some educations colleges, schools, they just lack someone, a representative of that industry

Stephen Drew: there. Yeah. Yeah. That's why you're here, then they listen. That's how I see. Yeah.

Neil Pinder: Yeah. The thing is it's even more crucial as just an unsaid that re inspired young people who live in inner cities to design and be creative how they want their innocence.

And as opposed to been imposed upon people who have never had the diverse backgrounds of what we've got are not live in the inner city and who has not as culturally aware of what each individual cultures bring to the table. So subsequently we And the city people, we're a melting pot of everybody and everything from around the world.

And we could bring all of that fantastic heritage to the table when they start creating and designing. That's why [00:12:00] over the last year, I think it's been the pandemic has been as opened up so many doors. So many people played a digitalization of the media and the digitalization of communication.

Look down. I would most probably never spoken to use YouTube guy definitely knows. So this is what is bro, and we've got real life. We got to celebrate, and this is what I'm about celebrating as diverse culture, rich culture. And if. Some guys who live in a some sort of social housing or come from another country to be involved and bring the richness to the table.

Then I think that could only in Hong society. And I think people shouldn't be scared of full integration, entered full diversity. And that's one of the things, unfortunately government of today is trying to do, because if you look at the curriculum that we've got now, the curriculum is [00:13:00] so strict and restraint in the, and the site system.

We've got something called progress site, progress agents. It's focusing on the it subjects, which they deem is the only subject. And so they're the eight double English, maths, triple science at a back. Some schools are doing, which is humanity geography, history and the language. So what they've done is they've taken all of the creative subjects and made them even extra curricular.

You have to pay for them. So I know in some quite a lot of schools, technology is not even on, on the curriculum in terms of food technology textiles, and you see all the cooking programs that we've got on TV and you haven't got food technology in school, which is a major. So of how. Keypad nation healthy.

That's taken off the curriculum. Textiles is taken off of the curriculum because they're really expensive. Product [00:14:00] design is taken off of the curriculum because it's too expensive. So what you're doing and what this government is socially engineering is a system where the private sector can come in and tight control what they've done and always done.

Let's not forget pre. Creativity in London and London were between 52 and 56 billion pounds of. And if you look at that is money. That is a real cloud real well. And if you restrict it just to the select fruit, phew, as you saw in Maya, small video, disproportionate, top heavy with the selective schools, the selected university, et cetera, et cetera.

What about the rest? Yeah. Yeah.

Stephen Drew: My background I, my parents were supportive as much as they could, but we come from humble beginnings as well, but I'm going to, there's a point you mentioned in there and I agree. Yeah. So [00:15:00] my old career advisor would, I loved, as he said, You have to do English and maths, but I like you, I would love the full choice of these courses.

And and you have to work as you will welcome me in. And he knows where I was like, I haven't got a very good language brain. I'm good at arts. I'm good at certain things I can talk, but I was not good at studying other languages. And so I got forced in the classroom. The hell to do with this?

Your chance really creaky stay stuff. Don't worry. But, so I was the, I was there. I was the guy in Wilde's class and I couldn't do it and my concentration was going, so I always used to be naughty in the end and the teacher would be Stephen's table. Cause I was so loud. I was so loud. So I used to get into.

And a borderline not try it, disrupt the classes so that people learn, but that was straight in. And then my outlet was that it was amazing when they then went on to college from comprehensive school, because I could do it when I loved computers. And then I loved graphic design. And to me, graphic design was so cool because I could learn a DOE Photoshop and [00:16:00] illustrator.

And I was so inspired at the time by sensei because that. Because I'm showing my age and my wealth sensate you, the movie was out back then and it was so liberating. So I think it's amazing all this stuff. And so we launched the video at the stop. One of the reasons that we're here, that's a little bit of the background than some of these agendas are so important right now in detail.

But how about we talk a little bit about Graham goes, go global. So I've got the trailer. For 36 seconds from last year, maybe we pray. This is the show, the audience I got to try and get it up first and then we'll get back going. And then you can tell us a little bit about what you're doing this year.

We're going and got Scoble. But also we all lie. If so, if anyone has any questions for Neil or after this video or the first video, you can bring it up. Any, no questions. I will not put them on the stage, but any other questions they can totally be on. Let me add this video now, and then we'll jump into it.

So you tell me if you can both hear the sounds [00:17:00] gentlemen, can you hear. No. I dunno. I'll have to make up the sound.

Let me get a bit of sound going.

Amazing. Check it out on YouTube and listen to the proper song that was on that, not my butchered song, but so let me just pause this here as well and bring it down so amazing. So nail, tell us all the flavor for your background. Then. Let me write this. Yeah, here we go. I'm the center of the stage.

What's going on? So nail something inspired you to do so we got the inspiration there as well. So what is actually, crime goes [00:18:00] global.

Neil Pinder: So Glenville global came about, because one of my fantastic students, she was in year 11 and she came to me because she teaches, says she was doing textiles and I teach product design, but it's the same course, the same AQR course.

And unfortunately she wasn't She wasn't achieving a full potential in the class that she was in. So she came to me and sat with me and my lesson during the same period of time. And basically she was like a sponge, everything I told her she did and she did more. And she was absolutely amazing. But what actually was the tipping point for glam guys globally?

Because the kids know, I love Gucci. They know I love Louis veto. And so she basically. Wanted to go on to uni to study interior design. And so she said, so let me just take my portfolio to a couple of OB colleges and see how I get on just to see what I [00:19:00] need to do. And so she's pre planning really well organized pre-planning of when she leaves and yet setting to go on to see what you need to get to, to go into the university.

And one person in a university crushed her. And this is where I employ lectures and people. When you see people coming, don't just say to them, you will never be good enough to go to applies. And that's what happened. Somebody said that to, she came back to me and she came back with a portfolio and I always get emotional when I said, because it's so sad.

And she said, yeah, I don't think I want to do it. There's no point. And I said, there is a point. And and then I was just lying in bed one night and I saw Gucci Louis Vitton and I came up with the idea of Gucci architecture, Louis Vitton, and me means include important because when they see the word made, they know it's inclusive of.

And the region [00:20:00] as themselves. And anyway, I took it to the couple of architects and there's one architect called Ramsey Yaffa, and who owns a practice called normal? He's basically said nail. And he turned it in into the nightclub. I can He said, why don't you call it Gucci, lose it on Architecture and me, and that's how that was born.

So what it is it's an intersection and it's teaching young people that architecture and fashion, they both work hand in hand and they both use a similar scaffolding to actually enable you to come out with final product. And then. To disconnected there. Isn't fashion-wise over here and Architectural over here.

And the reason why I chose Gucci and Louis Vitton is because you and I. I will young people, they love iconic brands and the iconic brands sell them. The story that yes, you wear Gucci, you wear loose. They're turning your this, but the iconic [00:21:00] brands are not necessarily interested in the non traditional students that who come along and save up all their money.

Just to buy a belt or this, and so subsequently I'm Santa Gucci, Louis Vitton. And I'm saying it now, and I'm looking at your faces. Join us on glam support. Gland land goes global. We're connected to south America. We're connected to the Caribbean. We're connected to Europe. We've got architectural practices.

And a university up and down the country involved in the fashion side, involved in the architecture side, instead of got any idea of what they can do and inspire people of non-traditional and traditional backgrounds, tell them to come and join us if they have it in them. But, I've been reaching out to Gucci.

I've been reaching out to live with them and that I feel. If they acknowledge me, then I think that gives me some sort of oxygen and they [00:22:00] might have to do a big payout. Big pat would be good, but they need to recognize that young people are the future and don't use them. We feel the diversity you have in your ad, but it's not in your showroom.

We see all the diversity you have, advertising the trainers, the coats, the jackets, the jumpers, the. Not just future, not just move it on, but old and I am brand, but you need to change. You need to embrace us because we're the ones who are making your money. And without us, it was not the young people.

You wouldn't have the pal, you wouldn't have the money. So they need to realize sooner than later that at some point that might be a tipping point where somebody stands up and says, Let's not wear their brands and see what they say for a day.

Stephen Drew: I love that. Do you know what I was trying to do?

Neil and the backgrounds here. So you will. So my first year in architecture, I went to the university of Westminster and it's for the first [00:23:00] semester, but the brief, yeah, the brief was to get wearable Architecture. Okay. So there's a picture somewhere. I came up with a bright idea of attaching myself to the surrounding.

So I developed the bouts. Okay. And the bow had loads of fish hooks and they attached it to some way. And so I've got a picture here. I saw I'm going to find it. And I'll post it on the Architecture Social after, but you've got me wearing this fish bouts. So I as well have I've I, maybe I was that, but I agree with your idea before great minds think alike. So wearable Architecture. Don at 2006, but I haven't got the face for it anymore. I don't think I can model that anymore. I've got plenty of Ted baker, which don't fit me. It's like my goal. Yeah. That's amazing. I'm sure you have a few questions here as well.

Is there anything that cause I know as well, you were burning to meet Neil here before. Do you have any questions about Graham goes global Neil. I was

Neil Pinder: Curious [00:24:00] too. To well know about how glam got his name, but you already talked about that. So I don't want to get you repeating yourself again, but I'm also curious to know.

So my squeaky chair and my moving camera why is it's a double question. Why is it so important to you? And also just in general, for the diversity of people going into architecture. Stepping away from glam. Going back to what we talked about earlier, why is it so important to you and just in general, to have more inclusivity from everyone to get into architecture?

The reason why is because we don't live in the monitoring world. We don't live in just A certain sector having just one site over what we do all the time. It may appear something, but we need to make sure that we spread out. And as I was saying, there is a rich. We've got, you've got acetate art, you've got, Aboriginal lot.

You got all that Europeans have taken over the years and put in [00:25:00] into that culture. And, but they own, they called it their own Architectural there. So we need to know that we who are just as talented as everybody else, that we can design the houses that we live in. And we can have a fail how our community is developed in terms of the infrastructure, lack of community.

And rather than having it imposed by somebody who doesn't understand what diversity is, because on this, unless you live in a diverse community, you don't really know. Come along, what a few what the companies usually do come along to a quick survey and say yes. We've got, an idea of how people live, for example.

And social has, and I grew up on a counseling site and always having this very same discussion with one, my friend, just the other day. And where I lived in my council house, they put the bins right outside. Of the door that you walk into the, [00:26:00] into your flat. Now, if you look at the more gated community has, is the bins a never seen at the outside of the flat, if you will five with a pile of rubbish, but why do you subject that to.

Why do you subject the pity? Why do you subject it to people like us? We don't want the bees. We don't want this man at the rubbish as we will can up the stairs. We don't want the shoot to be seen as you walk in into the block of flats. So if you ever lived in blocker flat, so have you ever come from so social hasn't you and know that there's some primary requirements that.

No, because we have lived there that you don't know, just filling out a survey because you don't really talk to the people. And this is why I want people like us. To be engaged in how we build and shape our community for the next millennium to come. And I think it'd be much [00:27:00] richer. If we look upon it on in total inclusivity of building a new environment and a new way for.

Stephen Drew: I agree in there. I think there's nothing but positive theory that comes out of being inclusive and diverse and actually the strongest architectural practices that I've seen them we've actually seen. Cause we've been fortunate to to work in recruitment, especially when I did work in recruitment with really good companies and actually those that are inclusive of international Architecture.

And this is what was that, as you say, different backgrounds, different ethnicities, different sexualities, then it all works out for the better. And it actually informs the design in my opinion. And then I think it also helps challenge sometimes cause some architectural practices maybe.

Particular style, but actually the more inclusive and the more diverse the practice, I think the more versatile they design is, and they actually do really well. And this well is that there's massive benefits. The being inclusive and diverse. Everyone wants to work in a place where they feel included.

And [00:28:00] what was his strength and that scenario that you use before. I think we're slowly moving away, Neil, from an architecture we're getting that still a lot of work to do, but we're moving away from that example that used at the start with, that lady bless her, the young, the inspired student who went to the university and they went, what is this?

You can't do that anymore. All of us now, because we were in this online age. Like that age, old architecture way of you mass struggle like I did. And you need to be the best. That's like old news. It's now it's almost oh yeah, good for you. But I'm not doing that. And what's really interesting.

You've got stuff like now with the feature architects who were representing students rights and when we've got stuff, like Graham goes global as a celebration of all this stuff. And actually I'm amazed. If you're a smart employer and then you're involved in this stuff, you can find like really raw talent there.

That could be part of your practice. So why, why wouldn't you go to these events and pick up [00:29:00] like the rising stars of the future? I'm sure you've seen on the other end of that nail, that people have been inspired from this. And then I've gone on to the start of really good careers. Do you have any mini success stories of any one that's been involved in this stuff?

Doing what.

Neil Pinder: Yeah, we got some, we've got loads. We've got Joseph Henry who basically is absolutely amazing. He's basically he works for the GLI, but he also runs an initiative called our sand advice. I've got Mo Warren. Yeah. A Sanders license, absolutely amazing that Pooja and Joseph or Joseph, him too. So I used to teach Joseph and he went on to become an architect.

He actually, we've got him back to be help work in the practice that designed the sit-com block. So you see how the circular economy of education can work out because he knew. At this school, he knew quite a lot about the [00:30:00] have their school lab was so it was familiar to him. So it was a natural progression that he went on to help develop and build the new block.

Yeah. So Joseph is behind this. He's amazing Mark Warren. Absolutely fantastic. He used to work for student ed grit, and now we worked from us and counsel and he is amazing. I've got alumni all over the place. I've got a young lady called Rosie Murphy. She is Don and Wells doing them also one of my.

Fantastic young ladies. Now she's just got a nymi Julia Green and she's working on gland goes global. She's amazing. I told her at school and she went to the Bartlett and from the Bartlet now she is gone go in next year to the Royal college. So we've got stories of this all over the place that people are in the circle and they, and what's the amazing part about it.

They come back and help me. So if you come to glam goes global, you will [00:31:00] see in some of the bright tap rooms, some of the students, I used to teach you a company come out and he takes some of the ones who are in pop. One, some of the ones who, and between part one and part two, et cetera, et cetera. They're the ones who give life to the whole main of full diversity.

And they're the ones who give me the energy to keep on moving on. So yes, we have successfully, every one of them is a success story from where they come from where they go in and and up there, they're all success stories is and a site young people we don't find. We might change direction, but we don't fail.

And failure is not a, it's not an, a, the cavalry. You only learn from things that you may do wrong that need improvement. So there's no fowl and success is measurable by your own goals. Not by other people, necessarily putting a monetary value on what successes, if you win or get three other people to become architects, I see that as a [00:32:00] success.

So it depends what your criteria is and in terms of the big Architectural companies and the universities that are beginning to shift and in general in life, people are beginning to shift. And what they're realizing is and I talk about it quite a lot in the past. The control and the money. So this is what they're all scared of United for free 200 years, the architecture buddies up in the same led by the same people.

And they said the ones who have the power that shared the control with their friends and subsequently that shit, the money, which is ultimately their own, I ain't the only. Over the years. So what's happening now is I'm telling you straight, you don't, you can give up power, you could give up control and spread the money.

There's enough money for everybody, not just you and little friends, but it's for everybody to share. And I would implore them. And I would say to them, don't be [00:33:00] scared to relinquish the power we the control, because at the end of the day, if it gets taken away from you, you leave,

Stephen Drew: lose it. Yeah. Yeah.

Very true. I love it. I think there's a lot of gems in there. I've just noticed as well. When you're out in the garden there aren't you I'm jealous. I put my blinds down because otherwise I look like the second coming of Christ because of the light. I wish I was in the garden

Neil Pinder: over here. It's like clouds

Stephen Drew: light in the Maria.

Bless him is in his little cave by luck. That was illuminating and inspiring. The people need to get involved, and this is happening now, and this is the plan and our conversation. So we S we met on the clubhouse and all this stuff. That's cool. But what's exciting is hopefully as well. I know we've got the Delta wave coming up and all this stuff, but should all go away.

The plants ought to do something exciting this year with glam goes global. So in terms of events or what [00:34:00] you're organizing right now, do you want to give people an insight on what we have ahead of us as well, in terms of maybe events or ways that people can get involved in ground? We've got cold. It grant go.

Graham goes global in a physical way.

Neil Pinder: And for now, what we're focusing on, we're focusing on the 17th and 18th of July, where we're connected to, as I said, literally global older countries that are initially ninth and that's a live boom, what shell. And literally we got the young people from The Gambia.

So my school was really good. We've got 20, I've got, we've got ad department to refurbish 29 books and we've sent them over to The Gambia so that they can be interactive in the workshop. And we've hooked chop with another charity in the, in, in Tampa and Florida who are doing really good things post.

[00:35:00] Expo. And so everything at the moment is geared towards the 17th and 18th, Saturday and Sunday, glammed verbal. We've got tutors, we've got breakout rooms. We've got absolutely fantastic tutors. And it's from 11 till four on the Saturday and 12 to four on the Sunday. After that I'm launching another initiative, which we've been, we've gotten the PO line, it's called a small to big to small.

And and w I'm working with a couple of really good architects and an Ensign in my mind of all of the ideas that I've had over the years. And it's a fantastic architect. Who's leading it. Dennis Austin. And he's got a shooter called DOB design. He's amazing. And he listens and we sit down and he writes, and he's literally, we're launching that sometime, maybe in the back end of July.

But we're hoping to, when we do [00:36:00] a glam, those global and I forgot we're working with the. Fantastic. Penn people. We're doing a live event, literally on the Saturday and Sunday run from the old Kent valley, wherever sending an architect and wherever we've got young people who will be there. And that will be really good.

So Nicholas, so we run 10 people. So good you to think in series and people, Nicholas is amazing pens people, and he is in El camp and he's got these damages and he's confessed to them. He's got even more energy than me, but yes, we were in at work involve these architectural practices and we supported by Reba was supported by the great characteristics, Carson.

We've Alice Whitman, who's amazing from the Architectural foundation buttress architects who are based up in Manchester and Harriet Harris. Who's connected to the practice Institute, New [00:37:00] York, who's supporting the whole of glamazon. He's global as well, and we're getting students and the.

And from New York to take part in it life. And having a Harrison, she's amazing if you've never met professor Howard habits, just look at some of the work she's done and the work that she's doing, she is amazing as well. So we've got so many different people from all over the world. Plus our own alumni Francis long Rosie Murphy, Georgia green and older.

These people from everywhere. Come in and they just mock in and I get the whole whole idea of a community of a family going. And they're really good. But alternatively, LinkedIn, Neil pinned on LinkedIn, just ping me. And I'm getting those opinions at the moment, but I'll try and get back to you in the next couple of days and say to you, welcome to homegrown plus, which is what we're all about.

Homegrown grew up. All of my students, they are home [00:38:00] grown. So they're scattered everywhere. Even in Dubai, Jason and Dubai, if you're listening, they got right. And we so they are homegrown. And then the pluses, all the ones that they bring to me that we connect to other people. So that is the idea of Homeland.

My other initiatives celebrate in architecture is which I do with with Novaka tent pool, Benicia Wolfenson, and it's infused young people from the ages of five up to that setting full team. So we've got that. And plus I'm a trustee of T E T educational truck. And I've got to do some big outside.

A couple of people I work with that is that's a serenade that we're going to be doing. And won't show me that we're going to be doing in September to remove people in shoes of a people to get into architecture. So if you know of anybody we're going to post that takes. Ruby doing that [00:39:00] and that ceremony will be in September.

And then the is let's build, which on the vice chair room. So let's build basically it's run by a coordinated by an, that Fisher and it's about empowering women and they want to be the first soldier organization in England. Women, total bill from the ground all the way up, which is really good.

And they've got we've got. Let's build this Thursday at seven o'clock. So if you type in that, so you can link into that and in Kanga, which is another initiative run by Leighton raid and it's got a fantastic I did ideology behind it where it's got a mentoring schemes as well and enlightened he's a professor at west of London, I think if I'm correct.

So he's really good. Lots of old blueprint for all, which is formerly this stays anonymous tracks with trauma. I've been a trustee of for years which [00:40:00] in today's young people, again from non tradition, traditional backgrounds, and it gives them bursaries that supports them. And if there's some, if you go on their website, you can see everything, but they're just some of the initiatives that are IMS myself.

And so is that it's a free 60 of engaging with people. Who want to engage with us? Number one and who want to become creative because. When you become an architect, you don't have to be an architect. You can do anything else because there are transferable skills that you learn. It's not just an architect for stuff you're learning all of that multidisciplinary transferable skills that you level once or entit yourself around the creative field or other things in life.

You might find yourself moving on to anthropology, et cetera, et cetera. And that reminder. Nailing me pay mouse. Who's in Bolivia, absolutely fantastic person. And you're talking about [00:41:00] education. She looks at quantum education.

Stephen Drew: Amazing. That's awesome. I think you've got to give you a run of applause that fall.

You're doing so much stuff, so much exciting stuff going on. I tried frantically typing a banner while you're talking about, but I couldn't keep up. And I was too engaged and I thought, you know what? It's got a typo in it and everything about Centene 18 for July. Everyone needs to keep those dates in the diary.

Oh I was thinking it's that's a really nice segue. Maybe what we'll do now, guys, because we're popping up to the 44 minute mark. What could be coolest? Cause I love that video at the start. Maybe what we'll do. Cause I can see a lot of people have joined. The sense is that we'll play out the video that we had at the start then.

So unless there's anything else you want to particularly. Maybe what we'll do is we'll play that video out so that everyone can enjoy it again and end the live stream. But before we do that now, do you have any kind of final thoughts at all? [00:42:00]

Neil Pinder: Yeah. Listen to. Because you said you're full of energy. And when I met you on your club house, I thought you was crazy and nothing's changed, but it's good to have.

It's good to have energy and not the usual books pick in person in the room and you people like yourself only as vitality life, passion to work usually to see.

Stephen Drew: I really appreciate that there, listen to this though. We'll hear is a survivor. Do you know what he, a survivor of a traumatic and life rewarding experience?

I was his boss

in the office. What did I do? Hopefully I inspired you as well. But I used to, I have once or twice celebrate your screens together. I didn't mind. So no one said doing that to you now. So you get a lot of quiet. Is your productivity gone up like 200% since I'm black [00:43:00] in the department now in the air.

So in one way, but we had some good times as well. And

Neil Pinder: I think we'll deserve the biggest round of,

Stephen Drew: You're a survivor. You I wish I got the Dubbo ones for that. So this probably summarizes Will's experiences me as a boss.

Music: It was a bad ESOS.

Neil Pinder: Yeah. You inspired me. And I think as well, like you, your energy and everything is just like infectious, it's infectious to everyone. Anyone that has energy is infectious.

Stephen Drew: Generally. I think you need that in life. That's really sweet. We will work together because you need someone to balance you out in the, when you've got this energy here.

So years ago I would call a secret online life. I shouldn't probably say that. I did one of them psychometric test, and they were like, you are charismatic. You've got great ideas, but you're incredibly unstable. How much my balance. Me, what was the worst? It [00:44:00] was. Disorganized. And that is true. That is true.

I always double book things and I have to work really hard on being organized, but you got to know your strengths and you gotta know your weaknesses in life and you can embrace weaknesses and they can be a positive. And I always say that my attention span is really short. And actually that goes two ways, because then if something grabs my attention, normally that means that.

Wow. So I really try hard to listen to everything, but if I naturally engage with something, then I think that's a really good barometer. What someone's doing something really well, they presenting really well and all that stuff. It ties to my short attention in the office. Isn't it?

You're telling me something and he'd be like, stay, are you listening? Yeah.

Neil Pinder: Now when you're not listening, I can tell when you're not this thing.

Stephen Drew: And then I just go. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. You seem very responsive and I'm just like, yeah. So he knows, but we're all there. And then I look, this has been,

Neil Pinder: Can I just tell you one of the things the [00:45:00] great who basically works for fostered well is fostered Jorah.

He said One thing always surround yourself, the more intelligent people than yourself, because then it makes you look intelligent. So that's what I tried to do. Immerse myself with the people more intelligent and there's somewhere in between, you can come apply to yourself. But the last thing is, I would say a Gucci lazy town join us.

Don't be afraid.

Stephen Drew: Oh mate, they should do. If Gucci's listening to my podcasts, then I'm going to have a difference. I'm going to be in a luxurious position next year, but hopefully this message gets out to that in the meantime. Oh, to task. If you're listening, I am more in the open for sponsorships, but in the short time, and in the meantime, until we have that.

Goes global. I did get this, you put this in the diary, put the [00:46:00] 17th and 18, 17, 18. That's just me. But if you sent in, keep that weekend open and for anyone listening, drop, nail a message. So an hour, and then we're on club house. There is the football this week, but Neil is around and he will answer your messages on.

And ask about this stuff. And if anyone's got any ideas, send them over. If anyone wants to get involved, do it as well. Neil is also on the Architecture, Social SU anyone can contact him there, but LinkedIn, we are all that you have seen this live stream as well. So do get in contact with Neil. You're an absolute legend of of a guest.

And I think that you should you definitely have the makings of a natural presenter. So if I get hit by a bus, there's a job for you. Thank you. So on that note, I think how about we play the video again, just for anyone that joined us. And then after that, what I'll do when the video ends I'll end the live stream?

I know you're busy as well, but you can shoot off during the video. If you want, you have my [00:47:00] blessing or you can stick around for a chat after Neil and stick around. If you want to chat after the video, I will end. And anyone in the audience get in touch and enjoy this video. Once again, let's go.

Let's go. Let's go. Let's go. Can we all hear it though? That's the one thing

Music: my name is .

Neil Pinder: I'm a product design and architecture teacher at bravely school, stuff like that. And I'm passionate for that Architecture.

Music: Y'all got to change my locks.

Neil Pinder: I'm going to use my own dice.

Music: This is my son. And what I like this is what I love about you.[00:48:00]

There's a risk that diversity

Neil Pinder: becomes a box ticking exercise. It's about inclusiveness

Music: for its own sake. My egg to my son. What I like and what I do is what I love. How about you?[00:49:00]

We're

Neil Pinder: seeing this terrifying collapse at the moment in creative education, particularly in state secondary school, we've seen for example, at 57. And the number of 16 year olds in design and technology GCSE society will be diminished if we're only recruiting people from the top tier, from the elite of our education system, into the

Music: creative industry.

what

Neil Pinder: we need to do is set some new accountability. That includes a [00:50:00] broader range of success criteria. So being successful in drama or music or art would not be seen as a lesser achievement of being successful in history or French

Music: toast.[00:51:00]

How about you?

I think it's quite

Neil Pinder: important for people like me who are working as architects, as planners in positions of influence to be more proactive in reaching out to people who don't think that they can study architecture, study planning. That's really important that we are role modeled so that there aren't more people like us

Music: during this process.

So

Neil Pinder: what we want to do is what white around the country draw out that creativity. So many

Music: communities.

My son.[00:52:00]

Neil Pinder: on behalf

Music: of the big man, like

Stephen Drew: bonus

Neil Pinder: goes globally on Saturday, on Sunday, the 17th and 18th of July, 2021. It's an infusion for sustainable wearable architecture, fashion, clericals. And it's a homegrown plus. And then superstar is coming up with sort of a Gucci architecture on the 17th and the 18th of July, 2021 be there or be square because it's going to be wicked.[00:53:00]

Stephen Drew: Thank you everyone for joining. Be there in the 17, 18 July. I'm Stephen. Thank you with a fantastic nail before I go, if you want to say goodbye to everyone.

Neil Pinder: Yeah. Thank you very much. Listen, and then absolutely fantastic. Thank you. Will. Thank you, Steven.

Stephen Drew: Absolutely. I will be there in some shape or form in the 17th or 18th of July.

Everyone have a good day. I'm going to end the broadcast now and you guys want to stay here for the event, then we can do it. Thank you.